Massive drop in views on kid channels

dv2000 said:
redterrors is too negative and gloom and doom. he works for the government that's why he disagrees. Blockchain and AI will be so advanced soon. Wait till quantum computers will be launched in 5-10 years. We all will lose jobs including the politicians
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Red and Crown are basically why I've subscribed to the site and this forum, and generally I have used their perspectives as a sounding board for where my mind should be set in regard to this situation. Red is fact-based and realistic.
 
Jungle Explorer said:
A little defensive there, are we? LOL! Hey Red, I just want you to know, that everything I say is completely unopinionated and 100% accurate. I am never wrong. I thought I was wrong once, but I was only mistaken! ROFL!!!!

Just playing with you buddy. You know that, right? Keep up the great work.
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I just want to make sure that I provide an adequate disclaimer to ensure that nothing I write is taken out of context or is believed to be affiliated with any government entity. The anonymous nature of the internet can sometimes be a blessing and a curse. While I genuinely believe that anonymous complaints are by their nature the hardest to investigate, they may also be some of the most worthy complaints because at the time of the complaint the anonymous complainant does not fear retaliation for coming forward. Of course, what is needed to start an investigation is much different than what is needed to complete an investigation as the confrontation clause and due process clause cannot be abridged.

By the way, I checked out your channel and it is pretty good. Just curious, what peaked your interest in this issue because obviously your channel will not be impacted at all. Oh and I love the Abilene paradox. lol
 
Redterrors said:
I just want to make sure that I provide an adequate disclaimer to ensure that nothing I write is taken out of context or is believed to be affiliated with any government entity. The anonymous nature of the internet can sometimes be a blessing and a curse. While I genuinely believe that anonymous complaints are by their nature the hardest to investigate, they may also be some of the most worthy complaints because at the time of the complaint the anonymous complainant does not fear retaliation for coming forward. Of course, what is needed to start an investigation is much different than what is needed to complete an investigation as the confrontation clause and due process clause cannot be abridged.

By the way, I checked out your channel and it is pretty good. Just curious, what peaked your interest in this issue because obviously your channel will not be impacted at all. Oh and I love the Abilene paradox. lol
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I agree totally. To answer your question. I am an American. I believe there is something far greater at stake here than mere children's content. Being a person of the advanced years and a long history in politics (which I try to avoid on here), I know that every small thing has huge consequences. Some of the worst atrocities in history have been done by people with the best intentions. I see great danger for all of us in the actions that the FTC is claiming they will take against content creators. Once this snowball gains momentum, it will grow until to affect almost all areas fo freedom of speech.

You see Red, I hold a deeply held immovable belief that the greatest danger to humanity, is a government with too much power. I believe the founders of the United States of America also firmly subscribed to this belief and intentionally did everything in their power to create a system that would keep the Federal Government in a very restrictive box. When I see a representative of the Federal Government, like this FTC clown, standing at a podium, sneering and mocking about how the FTC is going to shoot content creators like fish in a barrel, every alarm in every cell in my body goes off. Unlike you, I do not see the FTC as an insurmountable force. They are nothing more than an employee of the American people, of which I am one. They do not rule over me like a king, they are a subject that is there to do the will of the people, within the very narrow confines of the Constitution of the United States of America. When this puny employee stands there and boastfully proclaims how he is going to hunt down and shoot innocent Americans that are doing nothing more than trying to put food on their table like fish in a barrel; that is extremely concerning to me. That man needed to be hauled off that stage, tarred and feathered and rode out of town on a rail for saying what he did. That man has the attitude of a tyrannical dictator, not the attitude of a humble public servant. He should immediately be removed from his position and made to issue a public apology with tears in his eyes.

No, I am not a child content creator. I am an American. This is an American issue, not a YT issue. Just like the civil war in Texas did not affect Davi Crocket and Jim Bowie who were from Tennessee, the FTC threats against kid's content creators do not affect me at the moment. But both Davi Crocket and Jim Bowie went to fight and die at the Alamo alongside Texans, because they believed in something greater than themselves. I too believe in something greater than just myself, and that is why I am here fighting alongside kid's content creators to defend you against injustice and tyranny. The FTC is way out of line here and it is unAmerican.



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I agree totally. To answer your question. I am an American. I believe there is something far greater at stake here than mere children's content. Being a person of the advanced years and a long history in politics (which I try to avoid on here), I know that every small thing has huge consequences. Some of the worst atrocities in history have been done by people with the best intentions. I see great danger for all of us in the actions that the FTC is claiming they will take against content creators. Once this snowball gains momentum, it will grow until to affect almost all areas fo freedom of speech.

You see Red, I hold a deeply held immovable belief that the greatest danger to humanity, is a government with too much power. I believe the founders of the United States of America also firmly subscribed to this belief and intentionally did everything in their power to create a system that would keep the Federal Government in a very restrictive box. When I see a representative of the Federal Government, like this FTC clown, standing at a podium, sneering and mocking about how the FTC is going to shoot content creators like fish in a barrel, every alarm in every cell in my body goes off. Unlike you, I do not see the FTC as an insurmountable force. They are nothing more than an employee of the American people, of which I am one. They do not rule over me like a king, they are a subject that is there to do the will of the people, within the very narrow confines of the Constitution of the United States of America. When this puny employee stands there and boastfully proclaims how he is going to hunt down and shoot innocent Americans that are doing nothing more than trying to put food on their table like fish in a barrel; that is extremely concerning to me. That man needed to be hauled off that stage, tarred and feathered and rode out of town on a rail for saying what he did. That man has the attitude of a tyrannical dictator, not the attitude of a humble public servant. He should immediately be removed from his position and made to issue a public apology with tears in his eyes.

No, I am not a child content creator. I am an American. This is an American issue, not a YT issue. Just like the civil war in Texas did not affect Davi Crocket and Jim Bowie who were from Tennessee, the FTC threats against kid's content creators do not affect me at the moment. But both Davi Crocket and Jim Bowie went to fight and die at the Alamo alongside Texans, because they believed in something greater than themselves. I too believe in something greater than just myself, and that is why I am here fighting alongside kid's content creators to defend you against injustice and tyranny. The FTC is way out of line here and it is unAmerican.



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I respect your opinion and thank you for your response. I would like to address your comments about what you refer to as a FTC clown. The person that talked about "shooting fish in a barrel" is Andrew Smith. Andrew Smith is the Director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection. I would encourage you to read and listen to Andrew Smith's entire comments on this issue. Andrew Smith was making a substantial amount of money as an attorney before coming to the FTC (millions of dollars) defending companies against government overreach and regulation. Andrew Smith took a significant pay cut in accepting this position. Andrew Smith only received votes from Republican FTC commissioners (although nominated by the President, no more than 3 can come from same party) since he is seen as anti-regulation. Furthermore, Andrew Smith publicly stated his concern that Youtube is going to create a "desert of crap" if Youtube doesn't allow kid content creators to monetize their channels. Andrew Smith knows that Youtube can do more and he is NOT anti Youtube creator. His "shooting fish in a barrel" comment was solely made to discourage channel creators from trying to lie about their intended audience particularly creators that are beyond the jurisdiction of the FTC (foreign based creators). The New York Times editorial board came out and blasted Andrew Smith for trying to advocate for kid content creators. They even called for his recusal. I try not to talk about politics, but I can't help but to emphasize that the conservative pro business people at the FTC are the only ones that care about content creators, despite what you find on the Twitter abyss. The majority of our youth today (representing most successful creators on Youtube) are absolutely ignorant when it comes to understanding our Republic and the Constitution that guides it. It is not a popularity contest.
 
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Redterrors said:
I respect your opinion and thank you for your response. I would like to address your comments about what you refer to as a FTC clown. The person that talked about "shooting fish in a barrel" is Andrew Smith. Andrew Smith is the Director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection. I would encourage you to read and listen to Andrew Smith's entire comments on this issue. Andrew Smith was making a substantial amount of money as an attorney before coming to the FTC (millions of dollars) defending companies against government overreach and regulation. Andrew Smith took a significant pay cut in accepting this position. Andrew Smith only received votes from Republican FTC commissioners since he is seen as anti-regulation. Furthermore, Andrew Smith publicly stated his concern that Youtube is going to create a "desert of crap" if Youtube doesn't allow kid content creators to monetize their channels. Andrew Smith knows that Youtube can do more and he is NOT anti Youtube creator. His "shooting fish in a barrel" comment was solely made to discourage channel creators from trying to lie about their intended audience particularly creators that are beyond the jurisdiction of the FTC (foreign based creators). The New York Times editorial board came out and blasted Andrew Smith for trying to advocate for kid content creators. They even called for his recusal. I try not to talk about politics, but I can't help to emphasize that the conservative pro business people at the FTC are the only ones that care about content creators, despite what you find on the Twitter abyss. The majority of our youth today (representing most successful creators on Youtube) are absolutely ignorant when it comes to understanding our Republic and the Constitution that guides it. It is not a popularity contest.
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I must admit that I do not know much about Andrew Smith other than his comments in this press conference, which are hard to misunderstand. His comments were very clear that he believes that the content creators were violating COPPA if they did not mark their videos appropriately, and that is an utterly erroneous statement. COPPA has nothing to do with the designation of content categories. COPPA is about one thing and one thing only, it is about the COLLECTION of data on children, without parental consent. It is not a violation of COPPA to produce kid's content, nor is it a violation to fail to mark your content has directed at kids. It may be a violation of YT's new ToS, to not mark it appropriately, and YT's new ToS is based on the directives in the contract settlement that YT made with the FTC, but it is not a part of the COPPA law and so not doing it, is not a violation of the COPPA law.

It is pretty hard to misinterpret what Andrew said in this video clip (below). "Strong penalties against content creators specifically when they have been asked if their content is child-directed and they said no." This is a load of hogwash. This rule is found nowhere in COPPA and is completely outside of the constitutional purview of the COPPA law. It has nothing to do with the "COLLECTION" of data on children. The COPPA law is extremely narrow in scope and deals only with the collection of data. If a creator is actually collecting data on children, then yes, that is a violation of COPPA. Not telling YT that your content is directed at children is not a violation of COPPA and for Andrew to assert such an extreme falsity is either a complete lapse of intelligence on his part or saber-rattling, which is worse, because it shows that he is intentionally trying to use people's ignorance of the law to cause fear of reprisal from the government. This is nothing short of an abuse of power.

Let me give you an example of what I am talking about. I lived in the Amazon with an Amazonian tribe for many years. There was a federal institution that governed the tribal people. At the time, the Amazonian people had no rights in that country and were deemed as Wards of the State, which acted has Parental Guardians over them. I fought for several years in court and helped sponsor an amendment to the constitution to grant them full civil rights. They are now full citizens and have every right anyone else has. But even after 30 years, that government organ still claims to have parental guardianship over them and continues to tell the Amazonian people that they have to obey their direction. They continue to use the Amazonian's ignorance of the law as a tool to control them and tell them what they can and cannot do. So, I am extremely sensitive to this kind of tactic by government representatives and do not look kindly upon anyone in an official position that uses it.

Again, this is the United States of America, and our government officials should operate with humility before the people of this nation. Threatening "Strong Pentalies" against content creators for breaking laws that do not exist, does not make a friend out of me.

 
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If you are interested in hearing a good explanation straight from the FTC attorney that wrote the complaint for permanent injunction, here you go. This isn't like the youtube videos that try to prepare you for a shocking discovery and then tell you absolutely nothing. It is a little dry, but it is straight facts and provides important context. Ms. Cohen is a very intelligent and talented attorney.

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i dont know if anyone uses amazon video direct. They used to pay 35 cents per hour now they went to 1 in jan 2020. LOL soon we'll pay them to make content
 
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Redterrors said:
If you are interested in hearing a good explanation straight from the FTC attorney that wrote the complaint for permanent injunction, here you go. This isn't like the youtube videos that try to prepare you for a shocking discovery and then tell you absolutely nothing. It is a little dry, but it is straight facts and provides important context. Ms. Cohen is a very intelligent and talented attorney.

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Both the FTC and YT are crooks as they reached a crooked settlement. Watch this lawyer go deep in the paper and expose this b******t:


This is specially important:

"And ultimately content creators have to go forward, have to explain, have to advocate to the FTC that this relationship that they think that they have with YouTube does not exist. Content creators do not have control over the data collection policies of Google and YouTube. YouTube can change his terms of services and any privacy policies at any time, and YouTube content creators are stuck. (...) this law, this act, does not do that. There's no reasonable argument to be made, that a content creator has operational authority, over its small little "website" on YouTube, that YouTube has that operational authority in its entirety and you don't want to cede that ground if you are a content creator. You don't want to say "hey YouTube did all those bad things, the FTC is doing all those bad things, this settlement was bunk, YouTube shouldn't have settled in this fashion"... every little bit of that is true but you don't want to stay there and say "thus content creators should hold some portion of the burden". Content creators cannot control the data collection policies of YouTube and COPPA is a data collection policies rule, so the overall thrust, the pressure should be "FTC stop frightening everyone", and it should also be "YouTube just do some steps to comply minimally with COPPA" (...) don't try to twist a given act on 1998, don't try to twist given rules from 2013 or the current rule consideration process to get at bad act things because that's not how the law does work and it's certainly not how the law should work."

Stop asking for "clearer guidelines", stop clicking on boxes and stop demanding third option boxes, fourth option boxes or a million boxes to click at, and start thinking and realize you are being used as human meat shield to protect YT from the thing they can only do (collect data), while making you liable of doing such thing (which you can't do, at any rate). Anyone playing along this crookery is a victim of misinformation and mindless bureaucratic subjugation.

This is important enough to have it's own thread because the other "COPPA threads" are filled with people still talking about guidelines and boxes to click at and that's dangerous, no one seems to be questioning the root cause. We can't let this ridiculous new normal of us being "operators" needing to call a lawyer per upload to be established into the masses, or it will only get worse, that is how the end begins. They have already planned raising this from "kids" to "minors " as a whole, and from "targeting to" to "attractive to", which means anyone would be at potential risk. This has to be stopped, and make YT face full liability of any data collection and moderation of their own website as a multi billion dollar company that actually has the resources to do so and leave content creators alone, end of.
 
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