Massive drop in views on kid channels

The settlement produced a new rule. YouTube is requiring us to follow their new rule. I'd hate to see creators losing their life's work through getting a permanent ban as a result of thinking that they don't have to follow the new rule. The problem here is how YouTube reacted to the FTC. YouTube knew that the FTC could dig in deeper than a settlement, so from their standpoint, I would imagine that complying with the discussed plan for the chump change that they paid for it is the best path for them. Deviating is probably dangerous. Joseph Simons and Andrew Smith (FTC) dropped enough comments in their coverage of this that in my mind there is evidence that this plan was discussed to some degree. It might have been reactionary and poor planning on YouTube's part, but it happened, there's a new rule, and we are being asked to abide by it. Niche change time!

Yes, there is a new rule for YT, but NOT a new LAW for creators. Creators are not LEGALLY bound by the settlement that YT made with the FTC, but YT is. The FTC spokesperson said that the FTC could sue creators if they fail to mark their content appropriately, and that is a bunch of hogwash, as there is no wording in the COPPA law to back that statement up. They do not have the authority to sue creators for not designating their content appropriately so that idiot FTC guy was talking out his posterior when he said that.

I have said all along that the FTC does not have a case against content creators, and this lawyer just proved this in far clearer language than I could. It does not mean they could not TRY, it just means that they have almost no chances of winning in a court of law. Of course, this does not mean the YT cannot take action against creators that try to deceive the system. But YT issuing a Content Strike or a deleting a video, is pinprick compared to the threat of being fined $42,530 per video by the FTC. People need to get their priorities straight. Would you rather have a mild head cold, or the Ebola virus?
 
Yes, there is a new rule for YT, but NOT a new LAW for creators. Creators are not LEGALLY bound by the settlement that YT made with the FTC, but YT is. The FTC spokesperson said that the FTC could sue creators if they fail to mark their content appropriately, and that is a bunch of hogwash, as there is no wording in the COPPA law to back that statement up. They do not have the authority to sue creators for not designating their content appropriately so that idiot FTC guy was talking out his posterior when he said that.

I have said all along that the FTC does not have a case against content creators, and this lawyer just proved this in far clearer language than I could. It does not mean they could not TRY, it just means that they have almost no chances of winning in a court of law. Of course, this does not mean the YT cannot take action against creators that try to deceive the system. But YT issuing a Content Strike or a deleting a video, is pinprick compared to the threat of being fined $42,530 per video by the FTC. People need to get their priorities straight. Would you rather have a mild head cold, or the Ebola virus?
i agree too. we are not collecting any data. YT needs a competition then they will make better decisions
 
I disagree with some of your points. Having owned several businesses in the past, I have talked with lawyers about this very issue. I have written some of my own legal disclaimers and release of liability contracts and submitted them to my lawyer for review. In every case, where they found language that they deemed to be vague, they instructed me to provide excruciating clear definitions. The reason for this, was this, "A person cannot agree to something they CANNOT understand". My lawyers told me that a judge will immediately throw out any contract that contains language that the signing party has no possibility of understanding because it is based on information not contained in the contract, that the signer has no access to, or the relies upon the subjective interpretation of the party presenting the contract.

I completely agree with Mr. Johnson's statement that the FTC has expanded the scope of COPPA way beyond the legislative authority granted in the 1998 law. Laws must be CLEAR in order to be effective and enforcabe. The 1998 law was clear and narrow in scope. It prevented the "Collection" of personally identifiable information, such as, Name, Address, Telephone number, etc, on children without parental consent. What the FTC is doing now has "ZERO!!!!!" to do with the original law, and thus is beyond their Constitutional authority.

The FTC is not a legislative body of elected representatives. They should not have the power to expand the definition of the law "BEYOND" the original scope of the law, and that is EXACTLY what they have done here. Their power was to be able to adjust the ENFORCEMENT of the law to accommodate the changes in technology, NOT to make new laws. Nowhere in the COPPA law did it address targeted ads as being a violation. Nowhere in the law did the collection of behavioral analytics fall under the definition of "Personally Identifiable Information".

It does not matter if you agree that children should not be targeted for advertisements or not. The USA is a representative republic in which the very foundations of our nation are designed to be a constricting system of checks and balances, the very purpose of which was to "Restrict" the Federal Government's ability to arbitrarily use its power to regulate the actions of the citizenry. There is a system in place for the creation of new laws. The FTC is not part of that system and they have way overstepped their authority on this issue, whether you agree with them or not. Mr. Johnson is 100% correct that they need to go back to the 1998 decision and let Congress address any additional legislation to protect children.



Now, as far as YouTube's involvement in this. Mr. Johnson revealed something that I did not know. The 170 million was not a FINE, It was an out of court settlement! That is huge information. What it reveals is that, YT was the one that went to the FTC with a proposal to stop the FTC investigation. YT was the one that offered the proposed restriction and implementations that the FTC is now enforcing over it. The ideas on how YT was going to handle this, did not originate with the FTC, they originated with YT. So, while YT claims they are just "Obeying the FTC", they are obeying rules that THEY set for themselves, in their own settlement proposal to the FTC to stop the investigation.

Why would YT do this? It is very simple. YT wanted to stop the investigation because if this had gone to court, what would have been uncovered by the FTC, might have been so damaging that it would have resulted in BILLIONS of dollars in fines. Essentially, if the crime you are being accused of, it way less then the crimes you know you are guilty of and are afraid will be uncovered during the investigation, go ahead and confess to the lesser crime to stop the investigation.

So, YouTube is the one that came up with how the FTC should monitor them. They also came up with this whole idea of holding Creators responsible for which videos are kid directed or not as a further way to protect themselves. I suspect this from the very beginning because the whole "Creators have to make the choice" thing, just wreaked of a CYB (Cover your Butt) maneuver by YT to pass the buck of responsibility for where they show ads on to the creators.

On a third note, I have never considered YT to be my friend. YT is a "For-Profit" business and I expect it to be 100% selfish and do everything in its power to protect its bottom line, at the expense and sacrifice of everyone and everything else. What YT has done is consistent with my thoughts on them and so I am not upset about it.

But when it comes to the FTC, which is part of the government of the United States of America; well, they ARE supposed to represent We the People. This is where mine and every true American's concern should really be. Our concern for online privacy protections should never outweigh our concern for the preservation of the Constitutional restrictions on our government, without which, we are all at risk of far worse than kids seeing a few targeted ads.

You are talking about two different things. The validity and enforcement of a contractual agreement between private parties has absolutely nothing to do with the vagueness doctrine. The vagueness doctrine is guided by stare decisis. Our judicial system does not work like Judge Judy where all sides just get to tell their story and we just do what seems fair. Most people are unaware of the intricate details of how US District Court (federal) works and are unaware of how powerful summary judgment and sovereign immunity is. The media portrays a court system that is mostly just plain fiction. Some of these "attorneys" making videos for views on Youtube have absolutely no experience in this realm. And yes the FTC has the legal ability to sue content creators for violating COPPA. I won't get into the details citing the US Code and CFR, but I will let you know that the FTC has said it applies to content creators. It is likely a moot point though because I highly doubt that the FTC will actually do so unless there is an egregious example involving a large channel. What they will do is contact Youtube about channels (particularly foreign based) that are violating COPPA and mandate that they remedy the situation. Youtube can remedy the situation or they can face a show cause and be held in contempt for violating the permanent injunction.

People can continue to argue until their blue in the face about COPPA enforcement and the FTC authority to expand enforcement, but it won't change anything with the federal government. The energy instead should be put towards putting pressure on Youtube to admit their mistakes and fix the problem. Create an age gate and allow parents to consent to tracking. I can assure you that the majority of the FTC doesn't care about twitter comments. Youtube probably does at least to the extent that it goes viral. If anyone thinks they can beat this in a federal court room, all I can say is good luck and get ready to go bankrupt. Oh and unlike Judge Judy, the government is not paying your legal fees. There are only very limited circumstances in which attorney fees are awarded.
 
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You are talking about two different things. The validity and enforcement of a contractual agreement between private parties has absolutely nothing to do with the vagueness doctrine. The vagueness doctrine is guided by stare decisis. Our judicial system does not work like Judge Judy where all sides just get to tell their story and we just do what seems fair. Most people are unaware of the intricate details of how US District Court (federal) works and are unaware of how powerful summary judgment and sovereign immunity is. The media portrays a court system that is mostly just plain fiction. Some of these "attorneys" making videos for views on Youtube have absolutely no experience in this realm. And yes the FTC has the legal ability to sue content creators for violating COPPA. I won't get into the details citing the US Code and CFR, but I I will let you know that the FTC has said it applies to content creators. It is likely a moot point though because I highly doubt that the FTC will actually do so unless there is an egregious example involving a large channel. What they will do is contact Youtube about channels (particularly foreign based) that are violating COPPA and mandate that they remedy the situation. Youtube can remedy the situation or they can face a show cause and held in contempt for violating the permanent injunction.

People can continue to argue until their blue in the face about COPPA enforcement and the FTC authority to expand enforcement, but it won't change anything with the federal government. The energy instead should be put towards putting pressure on Youtube to admit their mistakes and fix the problem. Create an age gate and allow parents to consent to tracking. I can assure you that the majority of the FTC doesn't care about twitter comments. Youtube probably does at least to the extent that it goes viral. If anyone thinks they can beat this in a federal court room, all I can say is good luck and get ready to go bankrupt. Oh and unlike Judge Judy, the government is not paying your legal fees. There are only very limited circumstances in which attorney fees are awarded.
This is the funniest part "What they will do is contact Youtube about channels (particularly foreign based) " COPPA doesnt even apply there so youtube could collecting data everywhere else.
 
You are talking about two different things. The validity and enforcement of a contractual agreement between private parties has absolutely nothing to do with the vagueness doctrine. The vagueness doctrine is guided by stare decisis. Our judicial system does not work like Judge Judy where all sides just get to tell their story and we just do what seems fair. Most people are unaware of the intricate details of how US District Court (federal) works and are unaware of how powerful summary judgment and sovereign immunity is. The media portrays a court system that is mostly just plain fiction. Some of these "attorneys" making videos for views on Youtube have absolutely no experience in this realm. And yes the FTC has the legal ability to sue content creators for violating COPPA. I won't get into the details citing the US Code and CFR, but I I will let you know that the FTC has said it applies to content creators. It is likely a moot point though because I highly doubt that the FTC will actually do so unless there is an egregious example involving a large channel. What they will do is contact Youtube about channels (particularly foreign based) that are violating COPPA and mandate that they remedy the situation. Youtube can remedy the situation or they can face a show cause and held in contempt for violating the permanent injunction.

People can continue to argue until their blue in the face about COPPA enforcement and the FTC authority to expand enforcement, but it won't change anything with the federal government. The energy instead should be put towards putting pressure on Youtube to admit their mistakes and fix the problem. Create an age gate and allow parents to consent to tracking. I can assure you that the majority of the FTC doesn't care about twitter comments. Youtube probably does at least to the extent that it goes viral. If anyone thinks they can beat this in a federal court room, all I can say is good luck and get ready to go bankrupt. Oh and unlike Judge Judy, the government is not paying your legal fees. There are only very limited circumstances in which attorney fees are awarded.
"Oh and unlike Judge Judy, the government is not paying your legal fees. There are only very limited circumstances in which attorney fees are awarded. "
All governments are too busy with the world domination
 
I think with lots of negative comments towards FTC (already around 150k) and petition I bet they didnt expect this, clowns will alter their coppa
 
This is the funniest part "What they will do is contact Youtube about channels (particularly foreign based) " COPPA doesnt even apply there so youtube could collecting data everywhere else.

They will need to contact Youtube for violations when it is a foreign based channel because they won't be able to successfully sue the channel creator. The only remedy is to force Youtube action as mandated by the permanent injunction. This is not my words. Straight from FTC commissioner, "But, especially coupled with adequate training and progressive discipline for recidivist channels, it would fundamentally alter the incentive to profit illegally off of behavioral advertising to children, especially for channels unlikely to face enforcement action by the Commission, such as foreign channels."
 
I think with lots of negative comments towards FTC (already around 150k) and petition I bet they didnt expect this, clowns will alter their coppa

You are also dismissing a very large segment of the population that is in favor of this enforcement. The FTC made this complaint due to the persistent cries from the many people supporting child advocacy groups. I can assure you that the majority of the negative comments were obtained from misinformation about popular content creators being forced to leave the platform. The majority of Americans and Congress (conservative and liberal alike) support COPPA enforcement.
 
You are also dismissing a very large segment of the population that is in favor of this enforcement. The FTC made this complaint due to the persistent cries from the many people supporting child advocacy groups. I can assure you that the majority of the negative comments were obtained from misinformation about popular content creators being forced to leave the platform. The majority of Americans and Congress (conservative and liberal alike) support COPPA enforcement.
well then soon their kids will be watching 13+ with a small content variety like in the 90s. Nobody is gonna work for free
 
You are also dismissing a very large segment of the population that is in favor of this enforcement. The FTC made this complaint due to the persistent cries from the many people supporting child advocacy groups. I can assure you that the majority of the negative comments were obtained from misinformation about popular content creators being forced to leave the platform. The majority of Americans and Congress (conservative and liberal alike) support COPPA enforcement.
there are a lot of mad parents in the comments too who said they dont mind personalized ads as long as they can get free content. A lot. I think FTC will seriously take al lthe comments into consideration. And most people dont even know what coppa even is
 
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