Why you should NEVER do "sub for sub"

I hate sub4sub, and I used to do it. I had around 50 subscribers at the time and I somehow came across a sub4sub website. If you subscribe to a channel via that website, you get points, at which you can offer 1-10 points if someone subscribes to you. The accounts that set their give points to the higher numbers are higher on the list. I did this up until 200 subscribers, so I gained 150 in that period of time. My average video views were 7, sometimes lower and sometimes higher. Most of the views were from my real subscribers. Later on I started livestreaming and rapidly grew to 800 subscribers within 2 months. I livestreamed GTA Campaign soon after release and GTA Online on release. Now most of these subscribers are inactive, and YouTube/Google changed how the livestreaming feature works, mainly to finding livestreams, so my growth had slowed down so much since then. Now my active subscribers are 25+, depending on what videos are uploaded and which ones aren't. The 150 subscribers I gained from the sub4sub website could have been real subscribers and it could have been a good chance to have around 100 of them to be active. The other inactive subscribers only subscribed on livestream and probably forgot about me, considering they would subscribe to any other livestreamer streaming a new game. You DO NOT want this, you want ACTIVE subscribers, ones that watch your videos because they enjoy them, not ones who just do it for a number that doesn't represent anything. If you have 100 subscribers and 90 views on each video from those subscribers, then you are doing a good job. If you have 5,000 subscribers and 20 views per video, no one is looking at that like an accomplishment. Make videos and earn someone's personal enjoyment that they want to watch more.
 
Sub4sub is a horrible idea but I understand the desperation some would go through to resort to this thinking they will gain more exposure and reach out to a bigger audience. But there don't. Sometimes its just good to think of it as you're doing all this videos for your own entertainment. Perhaps as something that you would look back to as a video diary of all the funny and silly things you've done. Maybe treat it as your own portfolio? But at the end of it all, just have fun and don't worry too much about the subscribers. They will come overtime if your content is rich.
 
This is a common trait among beginners. When you begin, you have no idea about anything. You just want to take the shortcut and believe in doing stuffs like sub for sub or follow for follow. We slowly realise later that the method does not work and that we are wasting time. Even then we continue doing it because we want to believe in the false hope. And finally when things become too frustrating because we see no results after a long period of foolish hard work, we give up :D
I haven't done sub for sub on youtube but I have been through this on follow 4 follow on twitter. Big Time Waste!! (This method seems fast but goes nowhere).
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I was spammed a link the other day in instagram. Did you know you can actually pay for subscribers and followers. Their selling point was to make you look popular so other people will be more likely to follow or subscribe. I think it's ridiculous. I believe in quality over quantity!
 
Somer Nelson said:
I was spammed a link the other day in instagram. Did you know you can actually pay for subscribers and followers. Their selling point was to make you look popular so other people will be more likely to follow or subscribe. I think it's ridiculous. I believe in quality over quantity!
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I somehow still believe in this black hat strategy. I've never tried it yet but it's fact that people start following when they see that someone is popular. Just their perception. So we could fool their perception until we have some real subscribers :devil:. Once we have enough subscribers to really look popular, we will start getting subs more naturally and more easily than before :spin:
 
When I started using Twitter it always amazed me those users following hundred or even thousand others, and I'm not talking about bots, but real users, I just couldn't understand how they could cope with that many updates, what their feed would look like with dozens and dozens of daily twits... Until I started to realize that they just don't care, they follow you or anyone just to get a follow back to grow their number of followers (BTW, later I discovered that some of them would brag about it and try to sell you advertising on sites like Fiverr, which as you may guess is a waste of time and money as next to none of their followers will read your paid twit).

I still don't have an active channel on YouTube (I have a personal one that I don't promote, for family videos) but I guess it must be the same. So yes, the day I start a serious channel that I want to promote if I ever think of doing a sub4sub with any unknown I'll know I'm doing things completely wrong.
 
Polar Sky said:
On top of all of this, it looks really bad if you have tonnes and tonnes of subs and no interaction. People will know it's not genuine.
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I was going to say maybe increasing subscriber count by doing sub4sub could increase the chance of impression to other youtubers. I was thinking that the genuine youtubers that we reach out to later on could be convince more easily. But after reading your post, I guess a channel with lots of subs and zero interaction or even zero views would look very weird and spammy. I think you are right. People will notice it :woot2:
By the way, I just checked your channel. I think you've got a nice channel and you are a good bass player. Subscribed :)
 
Yeah, it's the same with people I know that do either music or are entrepreneurs of a small business. Maybe it's just me but I judge someone hard if they're full of fake likes by bribing others.... fair enough putting money into advertising, branding and whatnot! But I don't know, I don't see the point of big numbers if they're not genuine fans.[DOUBLEPOST=1414159580,1414159533][/DOUBLEPOST]And thank you so much! If you have any musical friends you should share it too them! :P

And i'll be sure to check out your channel :3
 
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