YouTube is Removing Videos - Are You Affected?

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Then again, my channel is about fitness and bodybuilding and I got a gray sign in all of my videos which basically KILLED MY CHANNEL.


I doubt your case is related at all.

Do you own the copyright to the content on your channel?
Did you film those videos?
Did you take all the photos?




On a separate note, yesterday I came across this video: youtube.com/watch?v=DuNkTrlhETU
I haven't seen a more inappropriate video on YT or elsewhere of kids in swim wear eating ice cream like this. The video is monetized and has 6m views comparing to channel's average 15-20k. I actually reported it, let's see how long it would take YT to take it down.

Yeah I agree. The adults who filmed, edited and uploaded that video know exactly what they're doing and exactly what "niche" they are targeting. Over 6 million views and only 3 comments left. I don't even want to imagine what some of those comments were. Is PredatorBait a term? Because that's what that video is. Nothing wrong with a parent filming that video and showing it to family and friends but why would you upload it to the internet? I think we know the answer. I don't believe the parents are that naive. They must have seen and read the comments before they were deleted yet they keep the video online? Wow ok.
 
So sorry to all of you that have your channels upside down.

It's tragic to see such a double standard for some channels. In particular nerf guns were talked about. And yet, Extreme Toys TV has mainly nerf gun videos and they have only lost 14 Million views compared to the size of that channel that aren't being penalized as much as others in here.

Maybe because they aren't a "young" kids channel? I dunno..[DOUBLEPOST=1511876562,1511876308][/DOUBLEPOST]
Have not uploaded to this channel. The traffic hit from the removals is devastating, it has killed the channel.[DOUBLEPOST=1511857522,1511857045][/DOUBLEPOST]

Ok that's great. Green is a nice color. Problem is, will kids watch? Maybe new kids coming onto the platform. Maybe have to think of away to make toy reviews fun.
We're bouncing some ideas around with a new channel as well, toys of course.[DOUBLEPOST=1511858002][/DOUBLEPOST]

I dunno, but seems to be the one for sure safe thing right now.. I seen Ryans channel just do a review on a toy, but made it fun and did a hide n seek type of game. May just have to get creative with toy reviews as you mentioned.
 
Have not uploaded to this channel. The traffic hit from the removals is devastating, it has killed the channel.[DOUBLEPOST=1511857522,1511857045][/DOUBLEPOST]

Yes and no.

On a video conf call with our Yt partner manager, a fellow creator asked what Yt's position is on Toy Freaks. Yt's statement was "we're letting the parents determine what's appropriate". Asked how to build traffic and what videos are best to make, the Yt rep stated to identify your most popular topics and video (Analytics - Groups) and compare the groups to each other to identify what your subscribers watch (highest watch time and retention), and make more. When she analyzed our channel, we together identified Doc mcStuffins Mommy Injection etc as the most popular videos with the highest engagement. I was advised to make more content like that. I have all this on screencapture video. It is only 1.5 weeks ago that Yt suddenly took this action and demonetized on mass. They had plenty of time to warn us, communicate to us, so we can adjust content. They never identified the "bad baby" trends as bad, not once on the 8 or so video conferences I've been on.

Anyways, we'll see how this pans out and legal avenues available.[DOUBLEPOST=1511857657][/DOUBLEPOST]

Ok that's great. Green is a nice color. Problem is, will kids watch? Maybe new kids coming onto the platform. Maybe have to think of away to make toy reviews fun.
We're bouncing some ideas around with a new channel as well, toys of course.[DOUBLEPOST=1511858002][/DOUBLEPOST]

And how do you propose these channels fund their living expenses for 2 parents and a few kids. By the most conservative, lower middle income estimates here in Australia, it costs $4000 all up for rent, expenses and a very basic standard of living (lower middle class). So for 6 months, that's $24,000. Add to that the costs of video production, toys, expendables, costs to drive and buy toys, etc, etc. At the very minimum, $1000/month to run a toy channel.

So you're proposing a family of 2 adults and 3 kids (like us), work for nothing, get in the hole by -$30,000 all the while producing content that draws viewers to the platform? So Youtube gets free content, viewership (which they can monetize in many ways), and we get what? A debt of $30,000?

Is that really the model you are proposing?[DOUBLEPOST=1511858295][/DOUBLEPOST]

Youtube reps directly stated to follow trends. I have this on video. They wanted us to follow trends, they promoted the videos that were on trend, and the algorithm populated the right bar suggested with similar tagged on trend videos. The only reason @babyteeth4 and us and others here and not on here jumped on bad baby is because that is what the algorithm promoted and what Yt reps encouraged us to do.[DOUBLEPOST=1511858601][/DOUBLEPOST][DOUBLEPOST=1511859157][/DOUBLEPOST]

Exactly my point. All of us kids channels here, and probably the vast majority of kids channels, would gladly follow guidelines, as we are in this for the long haul and want to build a sustainable, enjoyable family business. But to promote videos to 5M or 10M views in a few days send a strong signal - this is viral, we like it, make more. Ads are running, advertisers are getting exposure, Yt is making money, creators are making money, viewers are enjoying it (and if they are not then bloody click off no one is forcing you to do anything in this world unless you live in Nazi Germany or North Korea). So everyone makes more of what the Yt algorithm promotes, and gets more views. And the algo promotes it even more to staggering levels. And the Yt rep during the calls says identify your best videos, playlists and groups, and make more.

That's like the sales department manager sitting you down, telling you you've had great sales with Hoover Model 455 vacuum cleaners in Orlando, and customers are buying more accessories as well, and tells you to sell more and more. Then 3 weeks before Christmas, you're fired for selling too many Hoover Model 455 vacuum cleaners and selling them too well. What the f**k? You told me to sell more???[DOUBLEPOST=1511859491][/DOUBLEPOST]

A skit can actually take 15 minutes to film. If you do 5-6 per week, that's say 2 hours. Maybe an hour in front of the green screen. The kids acting is very quick on the camera, well within the guidelines for child actors in Australia and I'm sure the US. All the extra 30 hours of work is with editing, special effects, sourcing footage and sounds, learning how to put it all together, matching sounds, editing.

Toy unboxing can take 3 hours for one video. Some toys, like the Barbie camper, take forever to open, do all the stickers, assemble, play, take many shots, etc. But then, the kids are playing anyways. There's just a camera also running. If the camera is off, they still play the same. Or what if it's a video for the family. Just because I have a camera running for 2 hours trained on the kids does not mean they are working, they are just playing and I'm recording. I can edit that to 2 min or 60 min, it doesn't matter. There's no laws to stop parents filming their kids playing, nor the parent interacting with their child while they are playing. Making money off stuff you created and own copyright to is not illegal either. Should monetization of videos determine if it's considered labor or play?

A family in rural Chiang Mai has 6 year olds planting rice in the muddy waters (I can see them from the back of our house). If the kids get paid 20 baht for their work, that's child labour by western standards. If they don't get paid but are doing it to help out the family who can't afford to pay Myanmar foreign workers to do it, is that still child labour?

Yt is a global company, by which country and standards will child labour be judged? Some of the things I've seen parents do in Thailand with their kids would land you in jail in Australia and the kids in foster care.
It's all looks and feels like witch hunt
 
Latest update on Adpocalypse 2 - bullet points
  • More than 270 accounts are terminated and over 150,000 videos are deleted.
  • Over 50,000 channels are demonetized and ~2 million videos
  • The list of advertisers pulling their advertisements off increases - Hewlett-Packard is one of the new ones.
  • The strange search suggestions seems to be fixed.
  • over 625,000 videos are with turned off comments because of predators.
  • There were between 50,000 and 100,000 predatory accounts, no update if they are still there.
YouTube is still under attack as it's the platform where the kids spend most of their online time.
 
I have been on Youtube since near the beginning, albeit not in the kid channel area until 2015. We have been blessed to make good money from Youtube. My wife and I never looked at this as a job because doing that felt very wrong. In fact we kept our full-time jobs. Youtube was always secondary and we never changed our schedule for Youtube. Our inconsistent posting pattern and refusal to follow the trends, hurt the channel at times. We could go from 15 million views down to 4 million the next month. In fact, one trend I believe we actually started and it took a deep turn in the wrong direction when others copied it which made us very upset. I posted on youtube as a hobby for years for the purpose of sharing content with others without making a penny. When the partner program initially came out with invitation only, I originally ignored it for a long time. This is what Youtube was all about. I saw people like EvantubeHD and MommyandGracie Show start as a true family bonding hobby. Those people deserved to make the money and I loved hearing those stories. Then the bad actors came roaring in and their sole purpose was PROFIT. Instead of sitting down with their children and filming what THEY wanted to film, all of a sudden people acted like a shaky cellphone, annoying voice, and cheap special effects can compete with the Disney Channel. Sure it got views, but it got views because kids got to see what they couldn't normally see. They saw sick gross ridiculous things that actually altered behavior for the bad. My rule has always been simple, if my kids look back at the videos years from now, what will they think? Sure they may be a little embarrassed because of it being corny, but I can promise you my kids will never feel like they were exploited. Some of you will claim all day long that the kids are never forced to do videos or bribed to say things and will claim they easily do a video every single day. I have walked in those shoes and I know it is all lies. It is easy to get caught up in the money and forget what really is important in life. Don't get me wrong, it is really tough to watch the stats plummet, but no amount of money in the world can fix a bad childhood. I don't mean to offend anyone because I know a lot of people put a lot of work and passion into building their channel. Youtube is partly to blame for allowing this to happen and apparently giving out terrible advice. I truly do feel sorry for anyone that loses their means of income, but I know how much money kids channels make on Youtube. Many of these now deleted channels have made millions of dollars. I find it laughable that some people think they could have a cause of action against Google in civil court on this matter. While I can't speak to the law in other countries, this would be thrown out in summary judgment rather quickly if filed in any jurisdiction in the United States. There have been countless examples of suspended adsense accounts suing and going nowhere. We all need to consider this a wake up call and come together to fix the problems. The kids section can thrive again, but it is going to take creators that are motivated by something other than profit.
 
Latest update on Adpocalypse 2 - bullet points
  • More than 270 accounts are terminated and over 150,000 videos are deleted.
  • Over 50,000 channels are demonetized and ~2 million videos
  • The list of advertisers pulling their advertisements off increases - Hewlett-Packard is one of the new ones.
  • The strange search suggestions seems to be fixed.
  • over 625,000 videos are with turned off comments because of predators.
  • There were between 50,000 and 100,000 predatory accounts, no update if they are still there.
YouTube is still under attack as it's the platform where the kids spend most of their online time.

Can you tell me where you sourced these stats? Thanks :)

I wonder when YouTube will take some responsibility for this situation. We personally talked to a partner manager from YT this summer because we were frustrated with the algorithm promoting really questionable content. We specifically talked about the bad baby genre and the fact that YouTube claimed to want Sesame Street-type content (no disrespect, love Sesame Street) but the algorithm was promoting Vlad and Toy Freaks etc.

The algorithm isn't magic, it was promoting content that it was designed to promote; content that had high audience retention and that accumulated high amounts of watch minutes (including long session times). We were begging them to change how content was evaluated because high watch time does not mean good quality. Our partner manager had absolutely nothing to say about that situation and then failed to follow up with us.

This situation and situations like it will continue to happen unless YT finds a way to change how content is promoted by its algorithms. This story is much more about their algorithm and YouTube's goals of keeping people on the site as long as possible, as it is about "bad" creators. It's easy to turn on their creators now, but many of us have been asking for changes for how content is evaluated and promoted for a very long time.

Creators, YT and brands cannot just hand off control to computer programs, because what the program wants (high watch time, long session time) and what parents/advertisers/creators want (create engaging, high-quality, family-friendly content), are not necessarily the same thing. Just because something has high watch time, does not mean it's "good".
 
Latest update on Adpocalypse 2 - bullet points
  • More than 270 accounts are terminated and over 150,000 videos are deleted.
  • Over 50,000 channels are demonetized and ~2 million videos
  • The list of advertisers pulling their advertisements off increases - Hewlett-Packard is one of the new ones.
  • The strange search suggestions seems to be fixed.
  • over 625,000 videos are with turned off comments because of predators.
  • There were between 50,000 and 100,000 predatory accounts, no update if they are still there.
YouTube is still under attack as it's the platform where the kids spend most of their online time.

Thank you for the update, may I ask where did you get all these info from?

I`m trying to stay updated as much as possible but other than here and the ElsaGate subreddit (which I decided to avoid visiting because it gives me the creeps) I can`t find constant updates from different sources
 
I think the only way Youtube can come out of this horrible and mismanaged situation is to put human reviewers in charge of the Kids App.

Pretty sure they can afford to hire like 100 people, say each one of them review accurately 5-10 channels per day, and you can add 500-1000 new creators to the kids app roster everyday - to avoid people gaming the system just put a thresold of 100k total views on the channel or something like that *and* a zero tolerance policy in case a creator after being included start to put out disturbing content out of the blue.


I agree that manual review is needed for the kids app. But 100 people would be nowhere near enough! It would be like trying to sweep sand off the beach. 300 hours of video are uploaded to YouTube every minute! (source: https://fortunelords.com/youtube-statistics/ ) Obv not all of those vids are kids videos but it gives you an idea of the scale of the problem. They'd need to employ a few thousand people at least and make the kids app PPV with maybe some sponsors to finance it. ^^
 
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