YouTube is Removing Videos - Are You Affected?

[KiddieToysReview]

I had a dinosaur attacks kid video on kids corner from the old days, like a 20 cm dinosaur chasing them around the house while they are laughing about it. It got flagged, checked and removed as not in line with communication guidelines. And that didn’t contain anything like bad baby, it was from before that time,

Could it be they don't want skits with kids? Maybe they are thinking, there's so much room there, if they start allowing them they can escalate into different situations. I think they are cracking down on complete categories of videos they don't want. There is not much left. Major skit channels were removed, such as Vlad, even though their stuff was safe for the most part. It could be we end up with directives to make educational videos, family vlogs, nursery rhymes, toy unboxings, safe challenges, music and songs, and that's it. Of course any of those can warp into weird stuff quickly as well.

Luckily for us, going forward, we'll be under the watchful eyes of "thousands of Youtube reviewers", the reddit ElsaGaters who have many axes to grind, a bunch of bloggers eager to make a name for themselves, the ever vigilant media outlets, and of course the FBI and NCMEC (is that like NCIS or SVU??)

Stalin? Is that you I hear in the background? What? You have Lenin and Adolf with you? And Orwell? You brought your 1984 manuscript? Great! Yes, come in, you're all welcome, I love you all looking over my shoulder as I film my next learn colors video with nursery rhyme songs.

 

[KidsCorner]

I don’t know, but I guess it depends on the person reviewing your video. Just heard on the radio that there is another scandal involving sleeping beauty. In the movie, the prince kisses the sleeping girl and she wakes up from her sleep, finds true love and they live happily ever after. What some people see however is a total stranger kissing a sleeping defenseless woman on the lips and demand their kids are not exposed to this...

 

[EVO]

What some people see however is a total stranger kissing a sleeping defenseless woman on the lips and demand their kids are not exposed to this...

The world we live in today is nuts.

BTW I think my children watch your channel for hours everyday! Are you the man that dresses up as a Policer Officer and own a Mercedes?

 

[KidsCorner]

The world we live in today is nuts.

BTW I think my children watch your channel for hours everyday! Are you the man that dresses up as a Policer Officer and own a Mercedes?

I meant sleeping beauty but I guess you understood that.

Yes I’m the police guy haha, but they are not in line with the community guidelines so youtube removed some and me the rest. But he will come back in a different more friendly way I guess, we’re thinking about it.

 

[Scapestrato]

Wow, DCTC lost 1.3 billion views on SocialBlade!

I think DCTC is really really this close to termination, if you order their videos by popularity they still have videos containing syringes in their archive. If there is consistency in what YT is doing, there`s no way they are gonna survive, as bigger channels with tamer content got the axe.

 

[FamilyToyReview]

Could it be they don't want skits with kids? Maybe they are thinking, there's so much room there, if they start allowing them they can escalate into different situations. I think they are cracking down on complete categories of videos they don't want. There is not much left. Major skit channels were removed, such as Vlad, even though their stuff was safe for the most part. It could be we end up with directives to make educational videos, family vlogs, nursery rhymes, toy unboxings, safe challenges, music and songs, and that's it. Of course any of those can warp into weird stuff quickly as well.

Luckily for us, going forward, we'll be under the watchful eyes of "thousands of Youtube reviewers", the reddit ElsaGaters who have many axes to grind, a bunch of bloggers eager to make a name for themselves, the ever vigilant media outlets, and of course the FBI and NCMEC (is that like NCIS or SVU??)

Stalin? Is that you I hear in the background? What? You have Lenin and Adolf with you? And Orwell? You brought your 1984 manuscript? Great! Yes, come in, you're all welcome, I love you all looking over my shoulder as I film my next learn colors video with nursery rhyme songs.

Possibly because YouTubers are worldwide, we all come from a variety of cultures and we have different sensibilities with right wrong and the grey area between. Our code of conduct varies and what may seem completely harmless by one group may be perceived as unethical by another. With that said, I think US American society (with our puritanical roots) are more conservative than our European counterparts when it comes to our attitude regarding sex and nudity. I remember when the media exploded with controversy and changed how they covered live events with a 5 second delay simply because of a single Janet Jackson nipple.

for those of us who were not sure where the grey area is, I expect Youtube to introduce some guidelines to calibrate us on their definition of what is appropriate for children. I would say keep it as Disney as possible. But even Disney sneaks adult themes or sexual innuendo in their children's movies.

Cultural differences aside, there were some completely unethical offenders we can all agree were horrible psychopaths for the content they served our children.

 

[Scapestrato]

Hey guys, found very interesting stuff on the ElsaGate subreddit, basically a Russian YT network incorporating several toy channels (mostly in the Elsa & Spiderman niche) did a Q&A with the channel owners and there was an YT official representative answering questions during the session.

This might be very helpful in understanding which is the safest way to go in the future to avoid demonetization and the likes.

Note: I took the liberty to put in bold the parts I think might be the most interesting for the community

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TRANSLATION:

3 (owner of the channel, name is "Anna"): "Today we will talk about new YT rules. Ask questions in chat."

1 (YT representative, name is "Liza"): "Kids content must be safe. This is the most important factor. Our algorithms are constantly getting better, and right now our kids content algorithms can detect bad content which is not safe for kids and their minds. This, of course creates a lot of confusion among content creators. But what is happening is very important for kids safety."

2 (YT representative, name is "Alina"): "Did the polices change? Not much, but they are not enforced better, and you may get your videos even deleted."

3: "Is there a list of what you can and cannot do?"

1: "There cannot be a list of these - you cannot show kids with weapons, with dangerous things, the list is too big. Basic rule - do not show what you wouldn't show your own kids."

2: "There can be no concrete list, because otherwise people will find ways to go around it. You need to pay attention if there are family characters doing inappropriate things, sexual, violent things, that it will most likely get banned. Context is also important - if this video is meant to scare a child, it's not ok. pay attention to thumbnails and intros, videos will be taken down if they are not suited for kids."

3: "Should we delete controversial videos, or will it be worse?"

2: "We do not recommend deleting content if it is strike, strike is not going anywhere anyway. You should appeal it. If you know that it was 100% violation of the rules, than you need to change your content overall and wait until strike goes away on it's own."

3: "Will we be punished for deleting controversial videos without strikes"

2: "No, you will not be punished for deleting non-striked videos."

2: "Deleteing videos will not result in ban of the channel, but you will need to change your content strategy."

1: "If you want to stay on YT, you should think about if your content is safe, and should be your unsafe content on your channel. My policy is making sure that all kids content is safe."

3: "If the channel is falsely accused and deleted, what should we do?"

2: "You can appeal that through Support Service, but you must be sure it was a mistake."

1: "I agree, you should appeal if this is an error, but we think that you have to be sure, you should check your videos for unsafe content."

3: "If a popular character in video does some tricks on a car, or people dress up as popular characters, is this ok?"

1: "Working with popular kids characters is complicated for copyright reasons - some studios are not happy when their characters like Spiderman are used in uncomfortable situations. We recomment to contact film studios and ask for permission to use characters. Because if the studio would not want the character can be used, you will be striked."

2: "We do not forbid you from dressing up as characters, but it must be safe for children. If the content is inappropriate for kids, it can get blocked. Check with monetization rules to see what content is ok."

3: "If some crazy guy dressed up as a spiderman comes to a child and he trusts him and get stolen, YT channel may be blamed. Everyone, be very careful not to teach kids wrong things. This can be dangerous."

2: "Video shouldn't show something that child can repeat and get hurt, avoid showing that."

3: "Chat is asking why all kids channels getting deleted?"

1: "Only bad channels that break rules are getting deleted. Good kids channels are fine."

3: "Question about challenges and pranks. How far can we go? Can we make videos of kids in swimming uniforms?"

2: "Again, there is no defined list, but check the rules. Also, it's not ok if you make children do something that they don't want to eat. Potential sexual content should not be shown, it will all be deleted."

1: "Ask youself if there is an abuse of children in the challenge video. If we see two kids being asked to eat a ton of candy, this is not ok, because it's dangerous for them, for their minds."

3: "Hey, chat. Why are striked videos deleted, we will discuss later, but not now."

3: "If this ok to invite child actors and make staged videos with them? Can they be playing some popular characters?"

1: "I cannot say yes or no. It all depends on the details of the story, of copyright rules for the characters. You need to look at the details."

2: "The same kids videos rules we discussed apply here too. if you wouldn't show this to your child, do not do it."

3: "Should one start a safe kids channel right now?"

1: "Yes, this is a time to start a SAFE channel, some pretty big bad channels will probably stop making videos now, so new creators should come."

2: "If your content is safe, nothing will stop you from having and promoting the channel."

3: "If there are 700 videos, but only 20 of them are bad, will the channel be in problems, or only videos?"


2: "Can't answer right now. It's individual. But if you get three strikes, the channel is gone, this rule stays. If channel is getting deleted, you can try to contact support service."

1: "It depends on how bad these 20 videos are. If they are really bad... Daily Mail and Buzzfeed made articles about horrible, horrible videos, with gore and blood, if you have something like that, your channel should not be on the platform."

3: "People in chat re asking about kids in swimsuits. Yeah, well if you are parents, you shouldn't show these videos, because you can get him in danger with pedophiles. Why would you show swimsuits, or poop, or blood, if you can do some family friendly content??? I understand you are all angry, but this is youtube, and it has rules. You must use your brain before you show this stuff to children! We will inform you, we will fight against false claims, stop panicing."

(chat was really angry that the swimsuits are banned now)

3: "What should we not show with [video] gaming content."

1: "We have a separate team which deals with gaming content. I will ask them for a detailed answer, but the same rules apply here. Kids should not be holding guns, be in agrressive situations. Especially this concerns online games."

2: "Rules for gaming are the same."

3: "Sadly we are running out of time, but I noted your questions about monetization, I will get answers for them too, I wrote them down. Thank you for your time, we will stay in contact."

1 and 2: "Goodbye."

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Source: reddit . c0m/r/ElsaGate/comments/7f0k97/this_live_broadcast_began/dq8mio0/

 

[JackJack]

for those of us who were not sure where the grey area is, I expect Youtube to introduce some guidelines to calibrate us on their definition of what is appropriate for children. I would say keep it as Disney as possible. But even Disney sneaks adult themes or sexual innuendo in their children's movies.

Cultural differences aside, there were some completely unethical offenders we can all agree were horrible psychopaths for the content they served our children.

Totally agree with what you said. It's sad that so many with good content are getting caught up in the purge against the really odious content. Although I am grateful that we haven't been hit - nor do I really expect to be - I'm now super paranoid and trying to scan through my channel for any places I might have gone astray.

As an aside: Would Loony Toons have survived this purge? They are famous for sexual innuendo!

 

[FamilyToyReview]

Possibly because YouTubers are worldwide, we all come from a variety of cultures and we have different sensibilities with right wrong and the grey area between. Our code of conduct varies and what may seem completely harmless by one group may be perceived as unethical by another. With that said, I think US American society (with our puritanical roots) are more conservative than our European counterparts when it comes to our attitude regarding sex and nudity. I remember when the media exploded with controversy and changed how they covered live events with a 5 second delay simply because of a single Janet Jackson nipple.

for those of us who were not sure where the grey area is, I expect Youtube to introduce some guidelines to calibrate us on their definition of what is appropriate for children. I would say keep it as Disney as possible. But even Disney sneaks adult themes or sexual innuendo in their children's movies.

Cultural differences aside, there were some completely unethical offenders we can all agree were horrible psychopaths for the content they served our children.

Actually in consideration of DCTC I probably should not have framed this as an American cultural thing. We're all individuals and everyone is different. Although I think the cultural and religious context applies to corporations who serve the general public. Especially since religious groups wield a lot of political influence.
But yeah at end of day we all take different risks. If you think about it I guess it's not too surprising DCTC crossed over the grey area. They were already making unethical decisions when they used Disney's trademark for their channel name. Perhaps more decisions like this were made like when they started serving weird videos. And they were the original Spiderman and Elsa. Which I think was ok to do (although possibly another trademark/copyright issue), but interesting how that devolved and spawned into something horrible. But if they were peddling elsagate videos from eastern Europe then thats just gross. Sad thing is they were big enough to make any kind of content. Animations are automatically very watchable and don't need shock value.[DOUBLEPOST=1511460963,1511460285][/DOUBLEPOST]

Hey guys, found very interesting stuff on the ElsaGate subreddit, basically a Russian YT network incorporating several toy channels (mostly in the Elsa & Spiderman niche) did a Q&A with the channel owners and there was an YT official representative answering questions during the session.

This might be very helpful in understanding which is the safest way to go in the future to avoid demonetization and the likes.

Note: I took the liberty to put in bold the parts I think might be the most interesting for the community

- - - - -

TRANSLATION:

3 (owner of the channel, name is "Anna"): "Today we will talk about new YT rules. Ask questions in chat."

1 (YT representative, name is "Liza"): "Kids content must be safe. This is the most important factor. Our algorithms are constantly getting better, and right now our kids content algorithms can detect bad content which is not safe for kids and their minds. This, of course creates a lot of confusion among content creators. But what is happening is very important for kids safety."

2 (YT representative, name is "Alina"): "Did the polices change? Not much, but they are not enforced better, and you may get your videos even deleted."

3: "Is there a list of what you can and cannot do?"

1: "There cannot be a list of these - you cannot show kids with weapons, with dangerous things, the list is too big. Basic rule - do not show what you wouldn't show your own kids."

2: "There can be no concrete list, because otherwise people will find ways to go around it. You need to pay attention if there are family characters doing inappropriate things, sexual, violent things, that it will most likely get banned. Context is also important - if this video is meant to scare a child, it's not ok. pay attention to thumbnails and intros, videos will be taken down if they are not suited for kids."

3: "Should we delete controversial videos, or will it be worse?"

2: "We do not recommend deleting content if it is strike, strike is not going anywhere anyway. You should appeal it. If you know that it was 100% violation of the rules, than you need to change your content overall and wait until strike goes away on it's own."

3: "Will we be punished for deleting controversial videos without strikes"

2: "No, you will not be punished for deleting non-striked videos."

2: "Deleteing videos will not result in ban of the channel, but you will need to change your content strategy."

1: "If you want to stay on YT, you should think about if your content is safe, and should be your unsafe content on your channel. My policy is making sure that all kids content is safe."

3: "If the channel is falsely accused and deleted, what should we do?"

2: "You can appeal that through Support Service, but you must be sure it was a mistake."

1: "I agree, you should appeal if this is an error, but we think that you have to be sure, you should check your videos for unsafe content."

3: "If a popular character in video does some tricks on a car, or people dress up as popular characters, is this ok?"

1: "Working with popular kids characters is complicated for copyright reasons - some studios are not happy when their characters like Spiderman are used in uncomfortable situations. We recomment to contact film studios and ask for permission to use characters. Because if the studio would not want the character can be used, you will be striked."

2: "We do not forbid you from dressing up as characters, but it must be safe for children. If the content is inappropriate for kids, it can get blocked. Check with monetization rules to see what content is ok."

3: "If some crazy guy dressed up as a spiderman comes to a child and he trusts him and get stolen, YT channel may be blamed. Everyone, be very careful not to teach kids wrong things. This can be dangerous."

2: "Video shouldn't show something that child can repeat and get hurt, avoid showing that."

3: "Chat is asking why all kids channels getting deleted?"

1: "Only bad channels that break rules are getting deleted. Good kids channels are fine."

3: "Question about challenges and pranks. How far can we go? Can we make videos of kids in swimming uniforms?"

2: "Again, there is no defined list, but check the rules. Also, it's not ok if you make children do something that they don't want to eat. Potential sexual content should not be shown, it will all be deleted."

1: "Ask youself if there is an abuse of children in the challenge video. If we see two kids being asked to eat a ton of candy, this is not ok, because it's dangerous for them, for their minds."

3: "Hey, chat. Why are striked videos deleted, we will discuss later, but not now."

3: "If this ok to invite child actors and make staged videos with them? Can they be playing some popular characters?"

1: "I cannot say yes or no. It all depends on the details of the story, of copyright rules for the characters. You need to look at the details."

2: "The same kids videos rules we discussed apply here too. if you wouldn't show this to your child, do not do it."

3: "Should one start a safe kids channel right now?"

1: "Yes, this is a time to start a SAFE channel, some pretty big bad channels will probably stop making videos now, so new creators should come."

2: "If your content is safe, nothing will stop you from having and promoting the channel."

3: "If there are 700 videos, but only 20 of them are bad, will the channel be in problems, or only videos?"


2: "Can't answer right now. It's individual. But if you get three strikes, the channel is gone, this rule stays. If channel is getting deleted, you can try to contact support service."

1: "It depends on how bad these 20 videos are. If they are really bad... Daily Mail and Buzzfeed made articles about horrible, horrible videos, with gore and blood, if you have something like that, your channel should not be on the platform."

3: "People in chat re asking about kids in swimsuits. Yeah, well if you are parents, you shouldn't show these videos, because you can get him in danger with pedophiles. Why would you show swimsuits, or poop, or blood, if you can do some family friendly content??? I understand you are all angry, but this is youtube, and it has rules. You must use your brain before you show this stuff to children! We will inform you, we will fight against false claims, stop panicing."

(chat was really angry that the swimsuits are banned now)

3: "What should we not show with [video] gaming content."

1: "We have a separate team which deals with gaming content. I will ask them for a detailed answer, but the same rules apply here. Kids should not be holding guns, be in agrressive situations. Especially this concerns online games."

2: "Rules for gaming are the same."

3: "Sadly we are running out of time, but I noted your questions about monetization, I will get answers for them too, I wrote them down. Thank you for your time, we will stay in contact."

1 and 2: "Goodbye."

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Source: reddit . c0m/r/ElsaGate/comments/7f0k97/this_live_broadcast_began/dq8mio0/

Wow. It sounds like they wanted to keep their kids in swimsuits videos. That was the one thing they were really angry about. What the. Keep em all off YouTube.

 

[WildCanadaKids]

Totally agree with what you said. It's sad that so many with good content are getting caught up in the purge against the really odious content. Although I am grateful that we haven't been hit - nor do I really expect to be - I'm now super paranoid and trying to scan through my channel for any places I might have gone astray.

As an aside: Would Loony Toons have survived this purge? They are famous for sexual innuendo!

I think very few "real" cartoons (aka made by studios) would make it now. Frozen certainly wouldn't. The new Pixar film Coco wouldn't make the cut either. Lion King? No. How to Train Your Dragon? Definitely not. Finding Nemo? The Emoji Movie? Hotel Transylvania, Beauty and the Beast? Nope, Nope and Nope. Harry Potter?! Um, no way.

I guess we're all going to be held to PBS standards. I'm not hating on public broadcasters, but their programs are a bit of a snoozefest. Good for tiny kids, but older kids want the commercial stuff that encompasses all their emotions. There's a reason why funny prank videos (and I mean the actual harmless ones by Toys and Funny Kids Surprise Eggs for example) had more views than Sesame Street.

I am a bit concerned about who gets to decide what's appropriate for other people's children. The US has a huge contingent of ultra-religious conservatives; do they get to decide what's inappropriate? Because we've even had comments about society "straying from Jesus" on videos about dinosaur facts. So who are these moderators and flaggers? Whose idea of "propriety" do we need to follow?[DOUBLEPOST=1511461348,1511461130][/DOUBLEPOST]Wow. It sounds like they wanted to keep their kids in swimsuits videos. That was the one thing they were really angry about. What the. Keep em all off YouTube.[/QUOTE]

I read that as they wanted to be able to do fun videos in their pools or at water parks. Not like creepy bath-time videos, just like, my kid has cooler toys than yours lol.