Whats the secret to YouTube success?

Chef Kendra said:
You're welcome. :)
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Not sure if you missed it but I have an epicly long reply to your thoughts from before. Genuinely curious of what you think of my perspective/impressions, so if you have the time let me know... sorry for the super long wall of text :redface:
 
Flammy said:
Not sure if you missed it but I have an epicly long reply to your thoughts from before. Genuinely curious of what you think of my perspective/impressions, so if you have the time let me know... sorry for the super long wall of text :redface:
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Yes, I did miss I'm going to read it now, Flammy.[DOUBLEPOST=1368746711,1368745052][/DOUBLEPOST]
Flammy said:
I'm going to be posting my own thoughts on 'secret to success' soon, so I've thought about this a lot lately. On the persistence factor, I really must disagree. This is how I made my short list... first think about everything that helps (and persistence does indeed help) and rate everything with one of the following: high/mid/low importance in terms of 1) how important it is to success 2) how difficult it is to do. For example social media is one of the few things I give a 'high' rating to as it is very easy to set up and can drive a lot of of traffic. The list was made up of concrete actions or aspects, but if persistence was on the list I would give it a "mid importance" or "low" rating of importance.

First of all it obviously isn't critical to success. I think everyone here has seen channels which clearly don't try yet the views and subs fall into their laps. Not all cases are that extreme. In other cases where people quickly find success the success itself is the motivation. Either way, I think it can be important to some people (especially channels which don't find success right away).

Secondly its a fairly common belief that persistence will eventually lead to success. Perhaps, but if you find success thru persistence like that it is dumb luck. I think people should work towards success rather than merely keep making videos destined for obscurity hoping one of them hits it big. YouTube doesn't credit effort when it rates or recommends videos... just success/results.

As for the other factors:
Promoting - I would consider this the same as SEO and shoutouts. Sure, not exactly the same, but all under the umbrella of 'driving traffic'
Regular Uploads - If this refers to say uploading on a schedule you try to stick to (1 per day, 2 per week, 1 per week, 1 per two weeks, etc) I do not consider this important what so ever. Production speed obviously depends on your quality/style, but I don't consider channels who upload 5 videos in one week then nothing next week to have a huge issue. TL;DR: Helps, but is not required at all.
Uploading many videos (unless you are doing something incredible specialized/ or have established a large audience) - Same thoughts as regular uploads. TL;DR: Helps, but is not required at all.
Quality content (most of the time, everything can't be a masterpiece) - I think this opinion will surprise most people... but quality doesn't matter. Yeah, seriously. I have had the somewhat rare opportunity to be able to follow my niche has it has grown from about 3 channels uploading on a semi regular basis to a well established niche of 10 large channels (~5k subs+) plus hundreds of smaller channels... and the people who grew the fastest by no means had the best quality or even good quality... they merely got the content and the right time (a subset of getting the right content). In terms of literal video quality, same story. It depends on your content, but by no means is 720p+ required. To this day I still upload roughly 70% of my content in 480p (rest is 720p). TL;DR: Helps, but is not required at all.
Collaborations - I would consider this the same as SEO and shoutouts. Sure, not exactly the same, but all under the umbrella of 'driving traffic'
Connecting with viewers/subs - I would consider this low importance. It doesn't scale well and is isn't unimportant if you DON'T do it... so once again... TL;DR: Helps, but is not required at all.

In terms of vlogging vs gaming - I think vloggers have it much harder. SEO is harder as well that it seems to me, an outside observer, they are all bundled to gether with it hard to differentiate between the channels... aka gamers are split between platform (pc/xbox/ps/social/mobile/etc) as well as by type of game (shooter/strategy/action/rpg/etc) as well as by game itself (CoD/BF/TF/etc). All that said, I think it is equally valid that it comes down to 1) Content and 2) driving traffic (still, primarily thru SEO or shoutouts, but those others can work too (colab, promoting, etc)

In terms of this forum being terrible - I stand by my words. They aren't nice words. But this thread had 30-something replies before I considered anyone got close to a "good" recommendation. A few people had tried. I counted 4 comments were the advise actually answered the question rather than joking around. 10% helpful comments, roughly 10% kinda helpful but not answering the question, and 80% joke/unhelpful responses...? Well perhaps we have a different definition of terrible.
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Whoa..that's a lot of stuff...lol

First let me say that I think there are many roads to success.

Without persistence there is no forward, and even if it's a known fact, it is the foundation to all success. People give up to easy so, I have to stand by this at the top of my list.

I've had to do most of things on my list to even get to where I am, which isn't very far. I work the hardest on SEO and I'm still not getting the views. So it has to be way more than that. Maybe some people's videos don't have to be quality, I concede that, but mine do. I'm in a tough genre where is if someone tries a couple of my recipes and the suck, they won't come back.

I disagree with your view concerning SEO as promoting. SEO, at least in the way I was referring to it. I mean telling people, IRL and online about my channel in a personalize way. I do include social media in my promoting analyzes, but SEO is so specialized it takes a different skill set. However, I see why you would put them in the same category.

Again, I have to disagree. Collaborations are to me, projects people to together. Just saying "Check out Mike, he's awesome" is great but sitting down with Mike and interacting, via Skype, or in person, I believe has more of an impact. OK, I also concede that if RWJ gives a shoutout then it does have more impact. But that rarely happens. Therefore I separate the two.

Uploading many videos, again in my genre is a smart play because my videos rarely go out of date. More videos means more long term passive success. So again, I disagree. All the top people in my genre upload at least 3 days per week. Foodwishes, Nicko, simplecookingchannel, etc. Some people might not need to, but again, some do.

As far as believing this forum sucks, you are clearly entitled to your own personal opinion. So I can't argue with that. However, if this forum is so terrible why do you stop by? ;)

You clearly know what you're doing, and I wished just those three things worked for me like they work for you. I wouldn't have to work so hard for the few views I get.

This was fun, Flammy. :)
 
Chef Kendra said:
Whoa..that's a lot of stuff...lol

First let me say that I think there are many roads to success.

Without persistence there is no forward, and even if it's a known fact, it is the foundation to all success. People give up to easy so, I have to stand by this at the top of my list.

I've had to do most of things on my list to even get to where I am, which isn't very far. I work the hardest on SEO and I'm still not getting the views. So it has to be way more than that. Maybe some people's videos don't have to be quality, I concede that, but mine do. I'm in a tough genre where is if someone tries a couple of my recipes and the suck, they won't come back.

I disagree with your view concerning SEO as promoting. SEO, at least in the way I was referring to it. I mean telling people, IRL and online about my channel in a personalize way. I do include social media in my promoting analyzes, but SEO is so specialized it takes a different skill set. However, I see why you would put them in the same category.

Again, I have to disagree. Collaborations are to me, projects people to together. Just saying "Check out Mike, he's awesome" is great but sitting down with Mike and interacting, via Skype, or in person, I believe has more of an impact. OK, I also concede that if RWJ gives a shoutout then it does have more impact. But that rarely happens. Therefore I separate the two.

Uploading many videos, again in my genre is a smart play because my videos rarely go out of date. More videos means more long term passive success. So again, I disagree. All the top people in my genre upload at least 3 days per week. Foodwishes, Nicko, simplecookingchannel, etc. Some people might not need to, but again, some do.

As far as believing this forum sucks, you are clearly entitled to your own personal opinion. So I can't argue with that. However, if this forum is so terrible why do you stop by? ;)

You clearly know what you're doing, and I wished just those three things worked for me like they work for you. I wouldn't have to work so hard for the few views I get.

This way fun, Flammy. :)
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I group promotion, SEO, colabs, shoutouts, social media etc together because it really all comes down to exposing people to your content... With colabs there can be more pure motives as well, but in the end of the day the majority are all still looking at the numbers. social media is more about reminding active fans about new content but the motive is still there. I agree not all are for everyone. SEO seems easier for gamers. Shoutouts require significant sized channels with similar content (and often a reason to give shoutouts, like if both partners are doing so, or for example someone I know who makes custom Minecraft maps and a top YouTuber plays them).

As as side note: SEO = "I mean telling people, IRL and online about my channel in a personalize way" - SEO is like advertising to a computer. Promotion is advertising to humans. At least that is how I view it...

Re: Uploading lots of videos - I agree that building a library of still meaningful content is helpful. However not critical. Slower releasing can still have the same impact. At least for my channel it is mostly about the hit videos rather than about everything in between. Even when the 'in between' still clock in at 10k views.

Re: Terrible - Because there is literally no where else to talk about YT. I am in a skype group with some people, that is cool but everyone is rather diverse. At least they all generally know what they are talking about. I'm on /r/partneredyoutube which is small but good. I'm on Yeousch but it is all FPS related for the most part. I'm on knowtubers.com but it is still small (but seems to be off to a good start).

Re: Why do I keep coming back? - Because of conversations like this.
 
Flammy said:
I group promotion, SEO, colabs, shoutouts, social media etc together because it really all comes down to exposing people to your content... With colabs there can be more pure motives as well, but in the end of the day the majority are all still looking at the numbers. social media is more about reminding active fans about new content but the motive is still there. I agree not all are for everyone. SEO seems easier for gamers. Shoutouts require significant sized channels with similar content (and often a reason to give shoutouts, like if both partners are doing so, or for example someone I know who makes custom Minecraft maps and a top YouTuber plays them).

As as side note: SEO = "I mean telling people, IRL and online about my channel in a personalize way" - SEO is like advertising to a computer. Promotion is advertising to humans. At least that is how I view it...

Re: Uploading lots of videos - I agree that building a library of still meaningful content is helpful. However not critical. Slower releasing can still have the same impact. At least for my channel it is mostly about the hit videos rather than about everything in between. Even when the 'in between' still clock in at 10k views.

Re: Terrible - Because there is literally no where else to talk about YT. I am in a skype group with some people, that is cool but everyone is rather diverse. At least they all generally know what they are talking about. I'm on /r/partneredyoutube which is small but good. I'm on Yeousch but it is all FPS related for the most part. I'm on knowtubers.com but it is still small (but seems to be off to a good start).

Re: Why do I keep coming back? - Because of conversations like this.
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I have a lot to learn and you've made me consider some things I haven't considered before. I'm always reading, and trying to learn new things. :)
 
Probably just to carry on making videos. Don't make them only to be popular on YouTube, make videos that entertain you as well. If you are happy, others tend to be happy too. Of course, I'm not all that popular (7 subscribers), so I wouldn't be positive on what to do to be popular.
 
ya know, everything is already being said bout "the secret of becomming succesfull on YT"

If pples like it they sub and if they dont they just click yu away :( Just show some dedication and TRY NOT TO BE ABSOLUTELY BORING LIKE A HISTORY TEACHER!!

OH and whatever yu do, KEEP BREATHING ;)
 
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