Not true. YouTube doesn't keep the money. They transfer each cent earned (even 0.01$) to your AdSense account EACH month. Many people have other income to their AdSense accounts as well (websites, apps, article sites, etc), so that cent can be the difference between getting paid this month or having to wait 1 month more to reach the payment threshold.

...which doesn't change that any AdSense account that fails to ever reach the $100 minimum, YouTube gets to keep.

Yes, it is an option available to them, but I would gladly wager that the vast majority of small channels effected, the 90%+ that earn under $3 a month, don't have any additional avenues connected to their AdSense account.
 
...yet you call me the conceited one. Go figure.

$3 should be nothing to anyone since, unless they were to wait 3+ years, they'd never see a dime of it. During that time, channels would be far better suited if they spent their focus on growing and building themselves rather then look to crumbs for motivation.

Likewise, any channel that fails to reach the $100 threshold, YouTube gets to keep 100% of the income earned. Sorry, but I would prefer that ads only make it onto channels who are certain to collect any earnings.

Had you read my question though, you'd note that I wasn't asking about people like you, the 1%.
I was curious how the rest... the 99% of those affected who made less than $100 per year in the last year, 90% earning less than $2.50 in the last month were now suffering. They're not.

But, by all means, continue with your random capitalizations and name calling rather than attempting to have a legitimate discussion.

The main flaw in your argument is that you assume that if a person is making just $3 today, they will continue to make that same amount over the next three years. I don't think you really believe this, but are so focus at pushing your point you are making logic mistakes.

The truth is that when people see they can make a return on their investment, they are encouraged to work hardèr and better to earn more. After all the definition of Professional is when you make money at something.

But back to me. I did not finish my last post as I am currently going through a family crisis (sudden loss of a loved one) and this is just a disraction from the pain that is inside.

You said that you were talking about the 1%. I believe you meant to say 10%, but moving on.

Let me tell you what my main concern is, so we can move past this endless bickring that is going nowhere. Here it is. I am not concerened about me, because as I said, my channel already meets the standard. I am concerned about other honest creators like me that have been hurt by this.

What makes my channel so different that it can earn high amounts with out getting subscribers. It all boils down to my target demographic. You see, I make long quality videos on subjects like DIY and Homsteading. 95% of the people that watch my videos are mature adult men between the ages of 30 and 50. These kinds of people do not make choices lightely. They put thought and consideration into everything they do. What this means is, they don't subscribe to every channel they watch. They are like me. I have been with youtube since 2007 and I am subscribed to only 5 channels.

Now I am sure that if I produced mindless silly spongebob type content, every tweeny out their would subscribed to my channel, because young people are impulsive and driven by emotions. If it makes them laugh, they subscribe.

My concern is that this new 1000 subscriber requirment is not going to encourage better content. It is going to force creators to cater to impulsive people that want stupid cat videos. I produce meaningful useful content not stupid cat videos.

What about good creators out there like me that are making decent money on youtube, but don't get lot's of subs because they are targeting a more mature responsible demographic that does not subacribe? What about them? Do they deserve to be punished and have their return on investment taken a way because of a few bad actors?
 
The main flaw in your argument is that you assume that if a person is making just $3 today, they will continue to make that same amount over the next three years. I don't think you really believe this, but are so focus at pushing your point you are making logic mistakes.

I believe that some channels will grow, others will remain relatively the same, and others disappear as their creator realizes that it's not a 'get rich quick' scheme.

On the whole, I believe it balances out somewhere in the middle so my reasoning still holds.

To follow your point, a channel that continues to grow should have little problem passing the milestone requirements.


The truth is that when people see they can make a return on their investment, they are encouraged to work hardèr and better to earn more. After all the definition of Professional is when you make money at something.

Likewise, people can just as quickly become deterred once they see that their videos are 'only' earning them a few cents a day.

...but, if they are encouraged by seeing those few cents a day, there's no reason to assume that they can't be motivated with the 10k/ 4k requirements. After all, if they never reach that goal, there's a better than average chance that they would never see a dime from YouTube anyway.


But back to me. I did not finish my last post as I am currently going through a family crisis (sudden loss of a loved one) and this is just a disraction from the pain that is inside.

My sincerest condolences.


You said that you were talking about the 1%. I believe you meant to say 10%, but moving on.

Nope, I meant the 1%. They are the only ones effected who earned more than $100 in the last year.


Here it is. I am not concerened about me, because as I said, my channel already meets the standard. I am concerned about other honest creators like me that have been hurt by this.

What makes my channel so different that it can earn high amounts with out getting subscribers. It all boils down to my target demographic. You see, I make long quality videos on subjects like DIY and Homsteading. 95% of the people that watch my videos are mature adult men between the ages of 30 and 50. These kinds of people do not make choices lightely. They put thought and consideration into everything they do. What this means is, they don't subscribe to every channel they watch. They are like me. I have been with youtube since 2007 and I am subscribed to only 5 channels.

I'm entertained how you said this isn't about you... before making it all about you.

...not that it means anything, but I would fall into your "mature adult men between the ages of 30 and 50" category, have been on YouTube since 2008, and am subscribed to 303 channels.


Now I am sure that if I produced mindless silly spongebob type content, every tweeny out their would subscribed to my channel, because young people are impulsive and driven by emotions. If it makes them laugh, they subscribe.

I'm not sure if that was an attempt as a dig on my channel or a baseless comment in general, but it's wrong either way.


My concern is that this new 1000 subscriber requirment is not going to encourage better content. It is going to force creators to cater to impulsive people that want stupid cat videos. I produce meaningful useful content not stupid cat videos.

Heaven forbid people have different preferences on what they enjoy. Just because you don't care for something doesn't make it stupid. Conversely, just because you enjoy something doesn't instantly make it meaningful.

You should also note that "stupid cat videos" don't make up the top viewed categories.

On the women's side, it's cosmetics, hair and skin care, and weight loss that rule the views. For men, it's games and sports.


What about good creators out there like me that are making decent money on youtube, but don't get lot's of subs because they are targeting a more mature responsible demographic that does not subacribe?

As you have repeatedly said, your channel passed the new standards. If they post good content, they will as well.

Still curious what you mean by "more mature responsible demographic." I host an animation channel, yet the vast majority of my viewers in the past year (62%) were between 25-44.
 
Still curious what you mean by "more mature responsible demographic." I host an animation channel, yet the vast majority of my viewers in the past year (62%) were between 25-44.

Condolences accepted. Thanks you.

Listen. You and I are two completely different people. The way we see the world is very different. I do not expect you to be able to understand me completely. I was raised in the Amazon Jungle in a tribe of Amazonian (Indians). You probably thought I just made up the "Jungle Explorer" name. LOL! You have no possible way to even relate to me, or I to you. But I will do my best here to try to explain to you how I think.

I have no idea what you host on your channel, so no, my comments about teenagers and silly videos was not a dig at you. It was a statement about life in general, and not directed at you in the slightest. I am not against people making whatever type of videos they feel like to grow their channels, as long as they are respectful to other humans. I respect other people's right to make their own choices, even if I disagree with them. That does not mean that I will not stand up for what I believe and tell you so. It just means I won't try to force you to agree with me (I will debate you heartily though ;)).

As far as what things are "meaningful" to me and what I mean by a "more mature responsible demographic"; the best way I can help you understand is by quoting a F.E.M.A study about Americans.

My son is a paramedic and is a first responded disaster relief specialist. He is F.E.M.A, Red Cross and W.H.O certified. During his F.E.M.A training he had to learn an intense study F.E.M.A did on the American Society. This in depth study of the American Society concluded that in the event of a "Complete Grid Shutdown in the U.S." 90% of the American population would be dead with in one year, with 80% dying off in the first month. The study concluded the sole reason for this massive die off is that, 90% of Americans are so far removed from the reality of life, they lack even the rudimentary understanding or skill to provide for the basic needs of life.

Look at it this way, Youtube weeded out 90% of creators because they did not meet the standard and found them lacking the skill to make it on youtube as a professional. According to this FEMA study, Nature will weed out 90% of Americans because they do not meet the standard and lack the skill to live in the real world, outside of the artificially create American Industrial System. Don't get mad at me, I am not the one who produced the study.

You see, when I say "Meaningful" or "Useful", I am talking about real tangible tools and skills that can actually sustain life, "Independent" of the American Industrial Safe Net System.

When I say, "More Mature Responsible Demographic", I am talking about the 10% of the American population that FEMA says have the skill to survive a total gird shutdown. People who place value on knowledge and skills that can actually sustain life.

This mentality that I am talking about actually has a name. It is called, "Independent Rugged Individualism". It is the same mentality that the pilgrims had.

Think about the Pilgrims (keep politics out of it here please). They crossed the ocean in wooden ships to a land unknown and a future uncertain. And they brought their families! They did not ask anyone's for help, and did not have a Safety Guidelines book from OSHA to tell them how not hurt themselves. Once they reached the new land, they later traveled thousands of miles over land all the way to the west coast, in wooden wagons, across rivers and over mountains with no ROADS. They had no satellite phone to call emergency rescue services if things went wrong, and there was no McDonalds along the way to stop get a Big Mac at. They asked no one for help. And they took their families along!

Although this country came from those people that lived and embodied the mentality of Independent Rugged Individualism; we have somehow turned into a country of people that now need a warning label on a cup of coffee warning them that COFFEE IS HOT!

I am sorry if this offends you, but I can't help it if people are offended by the truth. The truth is, you can't eat, funny cat videos, or gaming videos, or silly mindless SpongeBob type videos. Are they funny? Yes. Are they entertaining? Yes. Do they teach any practical life skills that enable you to take care of yourself. No. I am not saying they are wrong or that people should not do them. I am not even implying that. Heck, I would create a different channel and make those kinds of videos myself if I thought I could compete in that market. I have to admit, it takes skill to act that silly (or even to think that stuff up). A skill I do not posses.

The truth is, people that make silly entertaining videos are way more in touch with the New American mentality then I am. I appeal to an ancient mentality that is almost extinct in this country. I understand that. But that is why I am worried about what youtube is doing. Why? Because, just because what I do or other people like me do, is not Popular, Up to date, or in line with Modern Thinking, does not mean it is not Valuable, Useful and Good. You see, you can actually learn useful skills on how to take care of yourself from watching most my videos (there are few that are for entertainment only), and since the modern American society desperately needs the skills that I teach or other people like me teach (according to the FEMA study), it is sad that this kind of useful content is getting caught up in youtube effort to stop a few immoral degenerates that don't even deserve to breath the same air as the rest of us (rape videos, beheading video, suicide videos, etc.).

Well got to go. I do want to thank you for providing me with a good hearty discussion. I always enjoy a good debate with someone who knows how to hold their own. I commend you. You have proven yourself an excellent debate partner. It has provided me with a good detraction for what is going on right now. Thanks again.


On a lighter note. This is one silly video I got a good laugh out of.

youtube.com/watch?v=Uo0KjdDJr1c
 
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I have mixed feelings about the new requirement for monetization. For us smaller channels, it really is discouraging. I JUST passed requirements for monetization back in November and I have a couple videos that are taking off. It's small change, but really inspiring to finally see something for my 12 months of work. With that said, it is a passion for me so I will continue and hope to have the time to meet requirement again. I do agree that this will help clean out youTube of questionable content. I don't like sitting through poorly put together clips of bad acting, or poor sound and lighting.

I think YouTube's biggest problem is not having enough policy enforcers / content reviewers on hand. I am not sure removing monetization for smaller channels with better quality really helps with this. It is just discouraging those of us who worked so hard to have the rug pulled out. I guess YouTube has gotten so large that they really can't control the ads on poor and questionable content. I think they should be reaching out to the community and us smaller channels who are following policy and in good standing and offer some compensation to have us help manage and review questionable content for policy enforcement. I for one would love to do that as it is for a great cause in safety and child friendly platform and help maintain professionalism on the platform. If they don't want to pay, then perhaps a point systems to help us smaller good standing channels get closer to monetization faster.
 
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I have mixed feelings about the new requirement for monetization. For us smaller channels, it really is discouraging. I JUST passed requirements for monetization back in November and I have a couple videos that are taking off. It's small change, but really inspiring to finally see something for my 12 months of work. With that said, it is a passion for me so I will continue and hope to have the time to meet requirement again. I do agree that this will help clean out youTube of questionable content. I don't like sitting through poorly put together clips of bad acting, or poor sound and lighting.

I think YouTube's biggest problem is not having enough policy enforcers / content reviewers on hand. I am not sure removing monetization for smaller channels with better quality really helps with this. It is just discouraging those of us who worked so hard to have the rug pulled out. I guess YouTube has gotten so large that they really can't control the ads on poor and questionable content. I think they should be reaching out to the community and us smaller channels who are following policy and in good standing and offer some compensation to have us help manage and review questionable content for policy enforcement. I for one would love to do that as it is for a great cause in safety and child friendly platform and help maintain professionalism on the platform. If they don't want to pay, then perhaps a point systems to help us smaller good standing channels get closer to monetization faster.

It is always good to remember that in order to be a professional, you must be making money at what you do. So making money is what encourages Professionalism. When people see a return on their investment (ROI) they then see a reason to invest more and do better. Taking my personal experience as an example; I used YouTube only for person family use before youtube invited me to become a partner. I made videos on the spur of the moment with my cheap smartphone to share with my family. I only had a youtube account to upload videos to. I had not done one single thing to develop or set up a channel or create a brand or make better videos.

One day youtube starts pestering me to "Monetize". I had no clue what the word even meant, so I ignored it for years. Finally, after endless pestering by youtube, I looked into this "Monetization" thing and found out that it meant I could earn money off my videos. I fell over laughing. I was like, "Who the heck would want to watch my videos!" That is when I looked at my videos and found that one of my videos had over a quarter million views. I fell over again, but out of shock this time. It was not until then that I realized that they were still people in this world that valued the same things as me that actually might want to watch my videos.

So, in July of 2016, I signed up to become a Youtube partner. I made $10 my first month off of that one video alone. I only had like 10 subscribers though. I was like, "humm.... there might be a way to make a little extra cash here. Maybe I should get a little more serious about this." So a made a couple more short videos with my smartphone, and the revenue climbed a little bit, but my subs stayed down. I was getting 20,000 views a month, but picking up only 1 or 2 subs.

After about 5 months, I took the money I had made and invested it in a cheap Action Camera (DBPower SJ4000 for $69) and head strap that would enable me to video with having to hold my smartphone in my hand. Then I started studying how to develop my channel, and later my brand. I started to learn how to get more subs by asking for them in the videos and talking to my audience, and the rest is history. In the last year and a half, I have grown my channel to where I am getting over 80,000 views a month, 5000 hours of watch time a month, 2000 subscribers and have earned well over $1000, most of which has been reinvested into better equipment.

My point her this. It was the ability to make money that encouraged me to worker harder at making better videos, not the lack of it. I can say with 100% percent certainty, that if youtube hand not pestered me endlessly to monetize, my channel would not exist today and none of my useful content would have ever been created. This idea that not paying people will somehow encourage people to do better is just an exercise in counter logic. People need to know they are going to get a return on their investment.

This whole making video for the love of it, instead of money, will result in "Quality Content" is just crazy. By that mentality, people should never charge for the Books they write, Hollywood should let us see their movies for free, and so on and so forth.

The ability to make money from doing something, encourages professionalism, not discourages it. Are those that will try to abuse? Of course. There will always be those people and you will never stop them. People have been trying to stop bank robberies for since the creation of the first bank, and banks still get robbed. But it is wrong to cause loss (whether great or small) to innocent people that did nothing wrong in your effort to stop the bad guys. That is a simple fact of life.

I have said it and will say it again. The steps Youtube took will not stop the abusers. I predict that in less then a year they will have to take additional measures to stop the same people that will have found a way to subvert the system. I also predict that youtube will employ the same method of punishing everyone because of the bad actions of a few. This cycle will continue indefinitely, until people learn to value what is JUST, and RIGHT, and TRUE.
 
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It is always good to remember that in order to be a professional, you must be making money at what you do. So making money is what encourages Professionalism. When people see a return on their investment (ROI) they then see a reason to invest more and do better. Taking my personal experience as an example; I used YouTube only for person family use before youtube invited me to become a partner. I made videos on the spur of the moment with my cheap smartphone to share with my family. I only had a youtube account to upload videos to. I had not done one single thing to develop or set up a channel or create a brand or make better videos.

One day youtube starts pestering me to "Monetize". I had no clue what the word even meant, so I ignored it for years. Finally, after endless pestering by youtube, I looked into this "Monetization" thing and found out that it meant I could earn money off my videos. I fell over laughing. I was like, "Who the heck would want to watch my videos!" That is when I looked at my videos and found that one of my videos had over a quarter million views. I fell over again, but out of shock this time. It was not until then that I realized that they were still people in this world that valued the same things as me that actually might want to watch my videos.

So, in July of 2016, I signed up to become a Youtube partner. I made $10 my first month off of that one video alone. I only had like 10 subscribers though. I was like, "humm.... there might be a way to make a little extra cash here. Maybe I should get a little more serious about this." So a made a couple more short videos with my smartphone, and the revenue climbed a little bit, but my subs stayed down. I was getting 20,000 views a month, but picking up only 1 or 2 subs.

After about 5 months, I took the money I had made and invested it in a cheap Action Camera (DBPower SJ4000 for $69) and head strap that would enable me to video with having to hold my smartphone in my hand. Then I started studying how to develop my channel, and later my brand. I started to learn how to get more subs by asking for them in the videos and talking to my audience, and the rest is history. In the last year and a half, I have grown my channel to where I am getting over 80,000 views a month, 5000 hours of watch time a month, 2000 subscribers and have earned well over $1000, most of which has been reinvested into better equipment.

My point her this. It was the ability to make money that encouraged me to worker harder at making better videos, not the lack of it. I can say with 100% percent certainty, that if youtube hand not pestered me endlessly to monetize, my channel would not exist today and none of my useful content would have ever been created. This idea that not paying people will somehow encourage people to do better is just an exercise in counter logic. People need to know they are going to get a return on their investment.

This whole making video for the love of it, instead of money, will result in "Quality Content" is just crazy. By that mentality, people should never charge for the Books they write, Hollywood should let us see their movies for free, and so on and so forth.

The ability to make money from doing something, encourages professionalism, not discourages it. Are those that will try to abuse? Of course. There will always be those people and you will never stop them. People have been trying to stop bank robberies for since the creation of the first bank, and banks still get robbed. But it is wrong to cause loss (whether great or small) to innocent people that did nothing wrong in your effort to stop the bad guys. That is a simple fact of life.

I have said it and will say it again. The steps Youtube took will not stop the abusers. I predict that in less then a year they will have to take additional measures to stop the same people that will have found a way to subvert the system. I also predict that youtube will employ the same method of punishing everyone because of the bad actions of a few. This cycle will continue indefinitely, until people learn to value what is JUST, and RIGHT, and TRUE.

Great Startup Story JE. And very excellent points, right on target.
 
I completely agree about ROI, when people are unable to make a penny back for their investment they withdraw. Only people who have a longer gameplan will invest into their channels to begin with.

YouTube wants better quality videos with better production to display ads on but the majority wont be willing to invest into their channel if it might not receive monetisation or takes a while to. I understand they wouldnt make much at all any way under those stats but it will be off putting to them. Small amounts of revenue do incentivise people to invest small amounts as well as more time into their videos which would grow in time into larger investments in equipment, props and such for example.

I do see why this is a very good change but I also believe it will be very discouraging for new channels. I wouldn't want to be starting over right now with no equipment etc and it could feel like a waste of time all the more for them.
 
I see both pros and cons to it. Although I am a small YouTuber who will probably never get to what is required for monetizing, I think it was a smart move for YouTube to make
 
I see both pros and cons to it. Although I am a small YouTuber who will probably never get to what is required for monetizing, I think it was a smart move for YouTube to make


The question is, was it a JUST move. From a strictly business stand point, it is a smart move to own slaves that you can force to all your labor for you for free, but is not a JUST thing to do? You see, not all SMART business moves are JUST.

Causing punishment, pain, hurt or loss to innocent people (whether big or small) because of the bad actions of others is NEVER a Just thing to do. Ask yourself, why go after everyone if who you are trying to get is bad actors? Why not just go after the bad actors? Hummm.....?

You see, what youtube did is a form of Classism. They basically said, that because most bad actors are small creators, we will treat all small creators the same as bad actors. That is like saying because some black people are criminals we should treat all black people like criminals. "WHOA!!! You say. That is taking it a bit to far." No it isn't. It is exactly what I have been trying to get everyone to see. RACISM is wrong. So is CLASSISM or Class Discrimination, which is essentially what youtube did here.

Let me make it clear. I am not in anyway suggesting that SOMETHING did not need to be done. But there was much better, way more effective, ways to deal with this problem that would have punished ONLY the bad actors and not the innocent Honest creators.
 
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