Hot Topic New monetization changes: 4k hours & 1k subs (**discussion here only**)

Jungle Explorer said:
Pretend we were not talking about youtube. Say we were talking about a city that was trying to prevent and punish people that rob convenience stores. The city decides that they should arrest everyone below a certain income bracket in the whole city and put them in jail in order to punish the few that rob the stores.

Does that sound look a just and right thing to do? Of course not!. But that is exactly what youtube has done. They have punished tens of thousands of honest innocent small creators in their effort to punsih a few bad actors.
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Except they’re not being punished, aren’t being thrown into a jail, and don’t have their rights revoked.

A better example would be that people are no longer allowed into the convenient store until they can prove they have enough money to buy the cheapest product and are able to behave like an adult. As soon as they can show those things, they’d be allowed in.

For the vast majority of channels, there is no punishment and the only thing that l has been changed is that they can’t watch their channel earn an extra $.03 each day.
 
Shakycow said:
Except they’re not being punished, aren’t being thrown into a jail, and don’t have their rights revoked.

A better example would be that people are no longer allowed into the convenient store until they can prove they have enough money to buy the cheapest product and are able to behave like an adult. As soon as they can show those things, they’d be allowed in.

For the vast majority of channels, there is no punishment and the only thing that l has been changed is that they can’t watch their channel earn an extra $.03 each day.
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Seriously, dumbest argument I have ever heard. Tell me what the vast majority of small channels did wrong to deserve to be punished by youtube and demonetized? What did they do wrong?
 
Jungle Explorer said:
Seriously, dumbest argument I have ever heard. Tell me what the vast majority of small channels did wrong to deserve to be punished by youtube and demonetized? What did they do wrong?
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Most (if not all) people that keep saying it's not a problem, or that this is a good change, have nothing to worry about for their own channel since they do have the subs and views. They don't care or really show sympathy for the smaller channels that will be affected.
 
jessegreathouse said:
I have not mistaken anything. 95% of the partners have been removed from the partner program. There is very little reason for google to show a non-monetized video to a viewer. The change is that a lot of channels wont have as much opportunity for a viewer to see the thumbnail of their video in the first place. Therefore it becomes harder to cross that subscriber threshold because smaller channels are less exposed to the audience.
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95% of the partners (in numbers) doesn't equal for 95% of the views YouTube receives (even less in watchtime as well). YouTube did their calculation. It's not short sighted shoot and they were preparing the changes for at least two months before, since the reports of delayed applications in November after ElsaGate.

Smaller channels are actually exposed the same as before. I even saw some little increase on my gaming channel - probably from people who want to see it going, but I already announced that I will transfer the videos from my gaming and experimental channels and consolidate them in a bigger channel. Additionally on my main channel right after the announcement I saw slight decrease of subscribers, most probably by frustrated creators who closed their accounts, but two days after it's back to normal.
 
At first I thought this was a bad thing but after thinking it through it actually won't affect me at all that much if any. It can also weed out people who were only doing youtube for the money. You don't that make that much with adsense of course it's better than nothing. I also think this would push content creators to work harder and make better content. This was how Youtube was like back in 2010 or so where you had to apply for the partnership program and many where rejected.

The main thing about youtube that it's a social media plate form made to share videos with each other and the money was just an added bonus later on.
 
Jungle Explorer said:
Pretend we were not talking about youtube. Say we were talking about a city that was trying to prevent and punish people that rob convenience stores. The city decides that they should arrest everyone below a certain income bracket in the whole city and put them in jail in order to punish the few that rob the stores.
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Your analogy is not very realistic. Right now it is more like after the bomb incidents in Paris (or any major city, or even after 9/11 what happened). I was in Paris in September-October 2016 and it was totally different city than what I remember from my visit in 2013, even if the buildings were the same. There was visible police and security presence everywhere. Before entering any public building EVERYONE and his baggage was being thoroughly checked (including women bags). Was I annoyed? Sure YES. But these measures were to assure everyone can walk freely around, feeling secure and it was something that everyone got used to it very fast, because it was an annoyance that may save hundreds if not thousand of innocent peoples lives. Same now with the new YPP eligibility thresholds - you can enter, but only if you look okay and are thoroughly checked.[DOUBLEPOST=1516434493,1516434245][/DOUBLEPOST]
tokoo said:
Since a new channel isn't able to be monetized, wouldn't it mean more people more then likely to steal other videos, so to get more popular, or to just take views away from other.
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Judging by ContentID re-uploads, not it's likely anymore. Before the changes I was seeing everyday re-uploads of my videos. After the changes, I see almost no re-uploads, meaning that the re-uploaders went somewhere else or started doing something different.
 
Nobody is punished. As i said before if you are not able to monetize videos after this changes, you are really not losing that much.
Month ago you needed $100 worth of views to get paid and in a month you will need $200-300 (depends on your watchtime/quality of videos) worth of views to get paid.
Youtube didn't said everybody bellow 1 million subcribers will not be able to monetize (that would be tragic) instead Youtube just set barrier a little bit higher than before.
 
I believe the recent de-monetization policy will push small creators towards Facebook and i don't think that YT was not aware about this consequence. I think YouTube is facing high difficulties in balancing btw the expected profit and the amount of data stored in its servers, which cost the company more than expected because of overcrowding users. They have their right to do anything they like but there must be a psychological configuration for small creators enough period of time before this step is taken. All the best to all.
 
1000 subscribers and 4000 hours is nothing at all. Why are you talking about small creators like a stand alone category of creators who want to remain small all the time? =)
There is no point to waste your time if you cannot reach 1000 and 4000 numbers. Or you just doing this as your hobby for fun. Then you shoudn't care about this 3$ per month monetization income.
 
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