Subs or Views?

Subscribers of course, I don't put much value on views as I do on subs. Reality is, views are people just passing by a coffee shop, glancing in the window but deciding they're not really all that interested. Subscribers are people who come in, sit down, and have a coffee and a chat. Those are the people who come back, become loyal customers, and build your channel. If you have a subscriber base, your views are guaranteed, even for your off-topic videos. Think of it this way:

Views: Someone clicked the video, watched a little, then moved on.
Subscribers: Someone clicked the video, watched a little, liked it, then subscribed, then moved on to another one of YOUR videos, then visited the following week when you uploaded new content, giving you more views. Then they told a friend, who then visited your channel, subscribed, and told another friend.

Now when I post videos, my sub base feeds my views in the thousands no matter what. I don't even have to rely on third party websites for posting, my subscribers self-advertise and self-perpetuate my content.

Which would you rather have?
 
Morphologis said:
Now when I post videos, my sub base feeds my views in the thousands no matter what. I don't even have to rely on third party websites for posting, my subscribers self-advertise and self-perpetuate my content.
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That's the desired result of having lots of subs, but that's not always the case.

There are many people who sub to channels, forget about them and move on. I would rather have higher views because out of those views I have the chance of gaining subscribers.

What really sparked this topic was the fact that I see lots of people "shame" others for having a low subscriber count. Some have high subscriber counts, but they have no views on their videos. They claim they want to "collab" with others, but only if their subscriber count is as high as theirs. Having a high subscriber count, but no views is like having a turtle shell, but no turtle.

In your situation it appears that you have the double whammy of both views and subscribers which is excellent! I just was curious to see how others felt.
 
JTMulcahy said:
That's the desired result of having lots of subs, but that's not always the case.

There are many people who sub to channels, forget about them and move on. I would rather have higher views because out of those views I have the chance of gaining subscribers.

What really sparked this topic was the fact that I see lots of people "shame" others for having a low subscriber count. Some have high subscriber counts, but they have no views on their videos. They claim they want to "collab" with others, but only if their subscriber count is as high as theirs. Having a high subscriber count, but no views is like having a turtle shell, but no turtle.

In your situation it appears that you have the double whammy of both views and subscribers which is excellent! I just was curious to see how others felt.
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If someone is going on about the importance of subscribers with quite a few of them, but has almost no views on a video, I find that extremely suspect. I imagine though the sub/view ratio works differently from genre to genre, but at least for the one I'm in, having subscribers is more important for getting views.

As far as collaboration goes, I think it's fair to require the other person in the collab have a certain amount of subscribers, but to have it be the only requirement is ridiculous and foolish. When I look for a collaborator, I look for a number of things. First, Sub count + view counts are important because it shows that the general community is receptive to his/her voice and style. Second, but equally as important as the first, is content quality and quantity. Quality for obvious reasons, quantity to show long term dedication to the art.

Another issue with finding collaborators while just requiring sub count/ view count minimum is that there is always the chance that your collaborator is just in it for leaching off your own success. This is the reason why you set standards like those I have put above. That makes sure the person your working with, even if they want to leach off of you to some degree, will also benefit you and your own.
 
Morphologis said:
If someone is going on about the importance of subscribers with quite a few of them, but has almost no views on a video, I find that extremely suspect. I imagine though the sub/view ratio works differently from genre to genre, but at least for the one I'm in, having subscribers is more important for getting views.

As far as collaboration goes, I think it's fair to require the other person in the collab have a certain amount of subscribers, but to have it be the only requirement is ridiculous and foolish. When I look for a collaborator, I look for a number of things. First, Sub count + view counts are important because it shows that the general community is receptive to his/her voice and style. Second, but equally as important as the first, is content quality and quantity. Quality for obvious reasons, quantity to show long term dedication to the art.

Another issue with finding collaborators while just requiring sub count/ view count minimum is that there is always the chance that your collaborator is just in it for leaching off your own success. This is the reason why you set standards like those I have put above. That makes sure the person your working with, even if they want to leach off of you to some degree, will also benefit you and your own.
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I agree 100%!
 
JTMulcahy said:
I've seen so many channels with hundreds/thousands of subs and then I see the viewcount on their videos and it's like 10 views. Personally I feel as though it would be better to have a higher view count than higher sub count because views are one factor in driving your video up the list in searches, but then again people are more inclined to watch your videos if you have more subs.

Which do you think is more beneficial? (Honestly the ideal choice is both, but I just mean if you had to choose.)
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Views, all the way. First, if you monetize, it's views that get food on the table, not subs. In addition to the fact that, just because someone isn't subbed to you doesn't mean they don't watch your videos all the time.
 
I guess it depends on your personal end goal. If money is your motive I guess views would be more important but if your end goal is more so making your channel into a brand or a business I would guess the sub count may be more of an importance to you so you can get deals or promotions.
 
Views. I don't post videos so someone can follow our channel, I post videos so someone will watch the videos. Subs, as a percentage, are not watchers. Such a small percentage watch videos from the channel they subscribe to. There are many channels with millions of subscribers and they get a fraction of the monthly views that many of us smaller-subbed channels here get that are only measured in the low-mid hundreds of thousands of subs.
 
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