$8 a Month for Ad Free Youtube

@Tarmack made a good point about the auction style of ads, but then you have to ask how much a company is going to be willing to pay if they're starting to have to drop higher and higher amounts for fewer and fewer imprints, that's where CPC and CPV come into play. If those start to get prohibitively high, companies simply aren't going to be willing to do it. We're not talking the Super Bowl here where paying $9mil for one minute has you in the households of over 100 MILLION viewers. This is paying more and getting less.

Sadly, there's no reason to believe that CPV/CPC have no ceiling. I'd wager they do, and that it's not a whole lot higher than current.

So we look forward. The less willing companies become to pump money into YouTube ads and the fewer ads are shown and clicked upon, the less useful that becomes as a source of shared revenue. YouTube stops looking at ads as the MODEL for revenue with a subscription as a way to help the site and skip ads, but ads turn into SUPPLEMENTAL income and the primary model is the SUBSCRIPTION.

Here's where it gets really ugly. We keep talking about content creators getting paid by the stream instead of by the ad view, but this can't work that simply because as soon as we're doing that, it's not longer shared revenue through ads... that's royalties. The ad model is YouTube saying "we'll share in the money your videos make", which works because your videos can only be either neutral (not monetized) or profitable (shared revenue). I'd wager YouTube really wants as many videos as possible to be monetized.

The per-stream model flips that on its head. Before, if I clicked that "monetize" button, it meant YT would get money from the ad imprints and then kick part of it to me. Under a PAYWALL model, clicking "monetize" would entitle me to a share of the subscriber money, but that subscriber is paying whether they watch me or they watch someone else. My channel is no longer profitable whatsoever, I'm asking for a hunk of revenue. What I "give" to YouTube is the subscriber boost they have from my videos existing on their platform.

Now it's possible that maybe YouTube WOULD just let any channel cut in on the revenue because, hey, they're gonna be watching SOMETHING, so why do they care if it's to me or to PewDiePie. You know who's gonna care? PewDiePie. Not him specifically perhaps, but the big channels are now going to be in a situation where everyone's vying for a piece of subscriber pie and, unlike before where businesses could bid higher for ads on your channel, now WE negotiate our rates.

Spotify's model: http://www.spotifyartists.com/spotify-explained/

This is how I would wager a streaming service with a paywall HAS to work. But the thing with all that... notice that little "royalty rate" over there. This is where things start to turn upside down. We now have a business relationship with YouTube, rather than letting the "business" part happen between YouTube and advertisers and we just get a hunk of the proceeds. We are getting paid BY YouTube and... I hope I don't sound apocalyptic here but I could see some big names not liking the royalty rates and going off to make their own service. Then we end up with, say, YouTube competing with Vimeo and DailyMotion the way Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Instant compete.

This is just turning into a rough path because it can't remain the free-wheeling atmosphere of "users making content" any more. Just like you can't upload your own music to Spotify and your own videos to Netflix, I fear a time will come when getting on YouTube isn't so easy.
 
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Google is always a business and it has to make money and it's just another option for those who want youtube ad free. If you had a business and you found a new way to make more money, you would certainly try it out. I'm happy with the ads as I'm helping those youtubers who I like to watch!
 
@SomeGuyDude I worry that you may be a bit heavy on the doom and gloom side of the future. The ad primary model of Google isn't going away any time soon. Their entire business structure is based on it. They are an information broker in the true sense of the word and even things like the self driving cars are nothing more than ad platforms.

@TarmackWe're not talking the Super Bowl here where paying $9mil for one minute has you in the households of over 100 MILLION viewers.

I did want to comment on the numbers bit though, using my normative averaging method.

Average CPM of $8 with a $9 million budget nets you 1.125 million milles, or 1.125 billion ad impressions. Superbowl advertising is around the 100 million to 114 million impressions range. Those superbowl ads are also only somewhat targeted. The only demographical information you have is that they like American football. The over 1 billion ad impressions you could buy on YouTube for that budget on the other hand can target the user directly by far more than just interests, but even on interests alone there are a wide range of options to choose from. The Superbowl ad block is actually much more similar in design to the big E3 booth purchase and people buying expensive cars. It's a way of boasting about a brand, rather than just advertising the brand.

Now, I'd need someone like @Shane to weigh in on this, but if you're buying a $9 million ad campaign in bulk from YouTube, it's unlikely that you're paying market average rates. And of course one needs to take into account Trueview and Standard in-stream ads being more expensive than overlay, but in any case, the reach has the potential to be much greater than a basic TV campaign.
 
You're a lot better at this than I am @Tarmack, I readily admit that, and if I'm way off and all my numbers are crap and it'll be fine I will be the HappiestGuyDude. I just cannot see how things can stay the same. YouTube is an anomaly in streaming media and VERY few streaming services are profitable, Spotify still isn't, Netflix is but it also has no free option, Pandora only RECENTLY turned profitable after years and years of losses, SoundCloud (basically YouTube for audio) is an earnings disaster. Google won't release earnings on YT but even the BEST estimates look bad.

YouTube is awesome, but I feel like we've been living on borrowed time. This idea of a Wild West environment where anyone can upload and anyone can earn money, while gobbling up terabytes of bandwidth per day (petabytes for the big guys). I don't see how it can remain a big open community and ever turn a profit. Maybe, MAYBE Google really is cool enough that they don't mind YT being something of a money sink because it helps with their other ventures and keeps people "pro-Google" which leads to benefits elsewhere... but I don't see it.

Again, you're probably right that I'm taking it all too far. I'm not even saying the end is BAD, I just can't envision a 2020 or a 2025 with the same YouTube we have now, just an optional "pay for no ads" version. Especially not for what is essentially crowdsourced content. NO one else does that.

The biggest problem might be that, in order to keep things good from the USER side, YT starts doing what Vimeo does and re-institute limitations on uploads for creators unless they pay a monthly fee. Maybe that could be a good thing in the long haul itself...
 
I know my postings are aggressive in this topic about Adblock but if YT moves completely to a pay service, I will shut down everything DVV video related on Youtube and might just completely cease creating content. Selfish but it is my way of thinking but I will not have my content at the mercy of a paywall. Some don't need to like me and I'm fine with that here, I cannot please everyone.

I already support WE/ZMG not just from encouragement but have purchased merchandise twice (a shirt a few years ago and a sticker for my laptop not that long ago) and sent in items for review in the past.
 
So they're essentially pulling what several other companies have already done by offering AdFree versions with a subscription service? I don't see why it's so scandalous, but that's okay. I wouldn't use this service personally. The ads don't bother me on YouTube.
 
... if YT moves completely to a pay service, I will shut down everything DVV video related on Youtube and might just completely cease creating content.

There's no way Google's going to change YouTube a subscription only model. Advertising revenue is their cash cow.
 
There's no way Google's going to change YouTube a subscription only model. Advertising revenue is their cash cow.

Not if people block the ads it ain't. If they implement this, it's 100% to test the waters and see how it flies. A few months go by and they're going to be looking long and hard at the revenue coming from paying customers vs ad revenue from the free customers and they are going to have board meetings on what to do about that.
 
... A few months go by and they're going to be looking long and hard at the revenue coming from paying customers vs ad revenue from the free customers and they are going to have board meetings on what to do about that.

65% of my audience is not in the USA. They do not have the means to block the whole world from watching and make them pay.
 
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