$8 a Month for Ad Free Youtube

65% of my audience is not in the USA. They do not have the means to block the whole world from watching and make them pay.

That... doesn't make sense at all. How exactly do you think websites work? If you don't live in the same country where it's hosted then you're immune to their subscription model? Do you watch Netflix for free? Do people who don't live in the UK or Sweden get free Spotify? If so, I've been paying like an idiot for no reason.
 
Do people who don't live in the UK or Sweden get free Spotify? If so, I've been paying like an idiot for no reason.

I misspoke. It can't imagine that YouTube is going to want to force a subscription model and then set up a pay service for every region of the world.

Since you mentioned Spotify, don't they have different levels of services? YouTube would just continue the ad-supported model and then offer a premium package, for a monthly fee, that doesn't have any ads.
 
I just want to throw out there one more time that Google is first and foremost an information broker. They deal in you, the viewer to they, the advertiser. Subscription models only ever work for convenience over piracy. Transitioning to a subscription only model would be an enormous mistake and is totally not in line with where Google is going. Subscription only YouTube will push viewers elsewhere, which harms the Google information monopoly. This is a supplemental income source and nothing more.
 
I misspoke. It can't imagine that YouTube is going to want to force a subscription model and then set up a pay service for every region of the world.

Since you mentioned Spotify, don't they have different levels of services? YouTube would just continue the ad-supported model and then offer a premium package, for a monthly fee, that doesn't have any ads.

Ah, okay. My bad dude, I should have been able to figure that out, ugh. Sorry!

I believe that this is what they're looking at doing now, making the ad-based version optional, but the thing is... I don't think it's profitable at all. Streaming media is a losing investment. It just is.

I just want to throw out there one more time that Google is first and foremost an information broker. They deal in you, the viewer to they, the advertiser. Subscription models only ever work for convenience over piracy. Transitioning to a subscription only model would be an enormous mistake and is totally not in line with where Google is going. Subscription only YouTube will push viewers elsewhere, which harms the Google information monopoly. This is a supplemental income source and nothing more.

I don't think anyone's arguing against that point, but again it relies on advertisements actually making it from the advertiser to the user. If we block all those ads, it doesn't matter how much information they have. The monopoly doesn't really help out when the advertisements aren't actually reaching the consumers.

The only reason for Google to even CONSIDER instituting a pay model is that the ad-based version by itself isn't working. If they were earning enough through it, then they'd leave it be. Whether it's a good idea to scrap the free subscription depends on whether or not the amount of money they'd lose by lost YouTube customers is more or less than the money currently being lost from having them.

Besides, even if YouTube literally vanished, Google's information empire is not going anywhere. Do you use Chrome? Well then Google knows what you're doing regardless of your video service. Search with Google? Done. How about Gmail? Got an Android phone? YouTube is just one head of the hydra.

Like I said before, maybe this is all flim-flam. Maybe they'll try the pay model and don't like the response. Maybe they'll find a way to get around Adblock. Or (and this is honestly feeling the most likely), the people who will pay are US, not viewers. If our videos aren't earning their weight in advertisement imprints, then it's probably in their best interest to have content creators pay for more features (more storage space, higher resolutions, annotation types, channel layouts).

TBH that's what feels like it'll happen. It would solve a lot of Google's woes. The more professional channels won't have a problem paying because they're already sinking money into things, and the hobbyist/student channels won't use up as much bandwidth or take up as much storage space. Then channels will continue to earn via ad revenue and from a USER perspective nothing changes.

I could see there being free, pro, and enterprise levels depending on how much storage space you want and how many features you anticipate using.
 
If we block all those ads, it doesn't matter how much information they have. The monopoly doesn't really help out when the advertisements aren't actually reaching the consumers.

Adblock numbers are vastly inflated by people who have an interest in the perception that they are high. The fact of the matter is that the majority of the internet going public has no idea how to install a program, let alone what adblock is, how it works, where to find it and what to do with it once you have it. ;)
 
Adblock numbers are vastly inflated by people who have an interest in the perception that they are high. The fact of the matter is that the majority of the internet going public has no idea how to install a program, let alone what adblock is, how it works, where to find it and what to do with it once you have it. ;)

On the internet as a whole, it's 10% or so. Averaged completely across the entire internet.

HOWEVER, that doesn't take into account who we are and what we're doing. Take a look at this chart from http://qz.com/120797/over-one-fifth-of-people-use-ad-blocking-software-and-its-beginning-to-hurt/

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And keep in mind, that's spread across all sites.

You're correct that the majority of people don't know how to install AdBlock, but those are also people who aren't subscribing to YouTube channels and certainly not following/commenting on lots of them. The kind of person who is going to subscribe to a lot of our channels here is DEFINITELY the kind of person who will know quite well how to install AdBlock. I would be SHOCKED if any significant portion of people subscribing to gaming channels on YT doesn't know what AdBlock is or how to install it unless they're children.

Here's Destructoid reporting HALF of their readers block ads, and that was back in 2013: http://www.destructoid.com/half-of-destructoid-s-readers-block-our-ads-now-what--247904.phtml

(the worst part of the article is the letter posted from someone who actually threateneed to boycott Destructoid and their affiliates because of the "please don't block our ads" prompt and required a giant-a** letter from the site to change his mind...)

YouTube is a website that attracts tech savvy people to begin with. That goes double for gaming and tech channels. When you have a video talking about the Nintendo partner program or Peter Molyneux, how many people do you think exist that simultaneously know enough about those topics to care but also somehow don't understand how to install AdBlock? Remember our target audiences...

I do not have a vested interest in perpetuating a myth of adblock being dangerous. I'm not monetized and I've already said I'll happily pay for YouTube. All I have a vested interest in is YouTube sticking around and being usable the way it is now. I feel like people have a very, very "whitewashed" understanding of the landscape.
 
I think that websites abuse visitors with excessive ads. If they are a technology site or a site with viewers who are educated about ad-blocking techniques, they they bring about the trouble themselves.

pop-ups, pop-unders, auto-playing video ads, webpage take-over ads. Sites like Ask.com are absolutely terrible and notorious for such behaviours.

This is not the same for YouTube. In my opinion, the amount of ads on YouTube is far less than any other media that is an ad-supported business.
 
I think that websites abuse visitors with excessive ads. If they are a technology site or a site with viewers who are educated about ad-blocking techniques, they they bring about the trouble themselves.

pop-ups, pop-unders, auto-playing video ads, webpage take-over ads. Sites like Ask.com are absolutely terrible and notorious for such behaviours.

This is not the same for YouTube. In my opinion, the amount of ads on YouTube is far less than any other media that is an ad-supported business.

Agreed 100%. Some sites just DESTROY the user experience. It's nightmarish.

YouTube needs to fix some crap too, of course. I literally am cool with 15-30 seconds before every 10+ minute video, and maybe a full 2 minutes if it's a half hour or so, but I've had 2 minute ads on a 2 minute video. What the hell guys.
 
I am definitely pro additional revenue stream. In my eyes it's great to have something that is less effected by seasons than ads and I agree with @TheDutchTexan that CPM may even increase. Subscribers don't convert well into ad revenue from my experience anyway.
Although I personally won't pay for it I am sure there is a bunch of people who will even if it is not the majority.

Concerning the AdBlock discussion my opinion is that it (currently) doesn't harm much in the big picture (on YouTube). As there aren't enough advertisers to have ads on every video you will have the revenue just from another viewer.
 
Easy solution: YouTube implements an adblocker wall.

Gamejolt does it right now. If you want to play a game, you have to run the ad first, otherwise the game doesn't start.

Want to watch a video? Well you have to watch the ad. No ad? No video.

Im amazed with all the resources at their disposal they haven't figured this out yet.
 
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