Toby Turner Rape Allegation

Did Toby Turner Rape and Drug his Ex-Girlfriend?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 16.7%

  • No

    Votes: 10 83.3%
  • Total voters
    12
Safety Turtle said:
and I suspect that the people who do believe, somehow WANT to believe it.
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For whatever reason, people have a tendency to believe that anyone who is accused of anything is guilty, probably because much of the time they are. Rape cases are no exception. If 9 out of 10 rape accusations are valid, the people are just conditioned to know that the high likelihood is that she is telling the truth, so they tend to give her the benefit of the doubt. The problem with simply taking a woman's (or anyone's) word for it is that 1 time out of that 10 (approximately) the guy is going to be completely innocent and have his reputation tarnished forever. This is why 'innocent until proven guilty' is so important. The accusation itself can ruin a person's life, even after they are cleared, because people will still associate that person with the rape and maybe even still think they were guilty.

For example, until a couple years ago whenever I heard about the "central park jogger" case (late 80s), I remembered it as 'those boys who raped that girl in Central Park'. Upon reading up on it I found out that those boys were cleared years later when someone else fessed up to the charges. I had no idea. There was nowhere near the media coverage of their exoneration compared to the original story, apparently, and I missed it. So for all those years I thought that people who did nothing wrong were guilty of rape.

Innocent until proven guilty.
 
I heard about this by accident (I haven't been scanning the headlines on here for a while) having seen the video Toby made on his vlog channel.

People who feel "victimized" need to stop using all the gullible children of the internet as their little stormtroopers running around backing accusations which have not been held up in court. In my opinion, Toby should not have even said anything about it on the internet and sued her for defamation. She can make whatever claims she wants in a countersuit and let a judge handle it.

I like JaclynGlenn's response to this thing. It's the only one that makes sense and she has a very important points.

I think in this case, this AprilEfff doesn't like something he did, she didn't have the gall to say "no, I don't like it," regretted it, and now is attacking him on the internet as retribution knowing that bands of people will all get on the bandwagon.

Take. It. To. Court.
 
I do agree that this should have been taken to court. BUT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YEARS OF ABUSE! It chips away at you, changes you, so much that you can't tell anyone, or go to the police. She even says in the blog post that she regrets it.
This is what she said after the post about going to the police, which I think people should take into consideration:

'“go to the police”
Do you know how the police/court/justice system works?????

Things take time. Is one trip to the station going to immediately have him convicted? Really THINK about what you’re saying.
and then also think…..


Maybe I have?'



Furthermore, other girls have been coming out with similar stories, at least 4, AND the people closest to Tobuscus have said the story is somewhat true. Take Phillip DeFranco, who knew Toby on an extremely personal level, and has said that he has admitted to drug abuse & cheating or 'being a bad boyfriend'. I just think there is too much evidence to say this is false. I'm sorry, but I stand with April.
 
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BeckyBoo said:
I do agree that this should have been taken to court. BUT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YEARS OF ABUSE! It chips away at you, changes you, so much that you can't tell anyone, or go to the police. She even says in the blog post that she regrets it.
This is what she said after the post about going to the police, which I think people should take into consideration:

'“go to the police”
Do you know how the police/court/justice system works?????

Things take time. Is one trip to the station going to immediately have him convicted? Really THINK about what you’re saying.
and then also think…..


Maybe I have?'



Furthermore, other girls have been coming out with similar stories, at least 4, AND the people closest to Tobuscus have said the story is somewhat true. Take Phillip DeFranco, who knew Toby on an extremely personal level, and has said that he has admitted to drug abuse & cheating or 'being a bad boyfriend'. I just think there is too much evidence to say this is false. I'm sorry, but I stand with April.
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If people close to the situation are saying the story is somewhat true, and you're taking their word for it, then you are also acknowledging that her story is somewhat false, right? If she is lying about some of it, she could be lying about the important parts for all we know. I haven't seen any hard evidence of anything. All I've seen so far is her version of the story and people saying he wasn't a good boyfriend and was into drugs. I'm sorry, but I'm going to need more than that to conclude that this guy did anything wrong, and so should anyone.

I just think we should be very careful because I've seen this many times before. Innocent until proven guilty, that's all I'm saying. We don't have access to all of the evidence (whatever evidence there is).

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WilliamRayWalters said:
If people close to the situation are saying the story is somewhat true, and you're taking their word for it, then you are also acknowledging that her story is somewhat false, right? If she is lying about some of it, she could be lying about the important parts for all we know. I haven't seen any hard evidence of anything. All I've seen so far is her version of the story and people saying he wasn't a good boyfriend and was into drugs. I'm sorry, but I'm going to need more than that to conclude that this guy did anything wrong, and so should anyone.

I just think we should be very careful because I've seen this many times before. Innocent until proven guilty, that's all I'm saying. We don't have access to all of the evidence (whatever evidence there is).

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The other exes said that different things happened to each of them, some of them confirming what we already know from April's post. Also, some of the people closest to him, such as Phil, said that they DIDN'T KNOW whether he had raped anyone, because Toby was a complicated person and din't keep in touch with most of them. It's not the case that her story may be false, it's the case that some of the people closest to him simply did not know what was going on.
 
BeckyBoo said:
The other exes said that different things happened to each of them, some of them confirming what we already know from April's post. Also, some of the people closest to him, such as Phil, said that they DIDN'T KNOW whether he had raped anyone, because Toby was a complicated person and din't keep in touch with most of them. It's not the case that her story may be false, it's the case that some of the people closest to him simply did not know what was going on.
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None of this changes the fact that actual evidence of the crime itself is necessary to convict someone in a court of law. It should also be necessary to convict someone in the court of public opinion but it usually never is.

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MarkRodriguez2012 said:
What kind of evidence is there in a rape though? It's been going on for years, I'm pretty sure she showered since then.
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There isn't much evidence in cases like this, which is why they are really hard to prove. We certainly can't simply take the accuser's word for it, that would be completely unfair. So you put them on the stand and decide if the accuser is credible enough and the accused not credible enough to get a conviction. It is just a difficult situation in cases like this when time has passed.

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