The Sub # is Not Everything

ZachYT

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Hey Everyone!

I am new here, but not new to the world of content. For the last 6 years I've been deeply involved in content + marketing - and for the last 5 years I've been both a personal blogger, social media strategist and other roles involving audiences and content.

In my short (hours) worth of time on YTTalk, I've seen a lot of focus on subscribers. Naturally, I get it - it's the most obvious number. It's the 'follower' count. It's the ego number. It's the social proof that people should watch your channel, or they themselves should subscribe. It certainly is important to the Youtube creator experience and can be the number that keeps you going. But I want to remind everyone that the Sub # is not everything. In fact, on Youtube, it's not even the best indicator of a successful video in my opinion.

As a content creator/blogger/strategist - the goal of content is to get people's eyes on your stuff and keep them there. As a personal blogger, it's great when you see a post got 500, or 1000, unique eyeballs on the page... but while that number is nice for the ego, it's not very good for the website in the long run. And Youtube works much the same way. If I write a blog post that's 1000 words and keeps 10 people reading for 5 minutes... that's a lot more valuable than 150 people who only stick around for 10 seconds.

Youtube (from what I understand because the are owned by Google, and Google does the same kind of thing) prioritizes content based on a few things... and one of the big ones is retention. If you are getting views, but they only stay for seconds - that could actually be hurting your channel in the long run as Youtube punishes poor performers thinking that it's bad content based on view stats. I've done a bunch of research on this over the last several weeks as I became obsessed with it. I've read that the average Retention rate on Youtube is 30%. Meaning if you upload a 10 minute video, you're on average going to get people to watch 3 minutes.

This number has a lot of value - because it means you need to think about your videos differently... if you're posting a 3 minute video, and retention rate is 30%, your first 54 seconds have to be watchable - and keeping them beyond that is crucial to a successful channel. Why are gaming channels so successful on YouTube? Because of the episodic nature of the content. Episode 1, The mission begins. Episode 2, Continuing the mission. Episode 3, You better have watched episode 1 to get what this episode covers. etc. People watch for 20-30 minutes! That's a major push up the YouTube ranking compared to someone posting a 20 minute vlog that people check out of after 15 minutes.

So, while subscriber numbers are certainly important, I encourage everyone to check out their channel retention rates. If you're feeling brave - share them in the comments so we can all kinda see if that 30% is accurate or not. For me, I'm currently sitting at 43%... with a couple videos (that are now unlisted) at 10%, 5.2%, 9.6% pulling my average down a bit.

Feel free to discuss/disagree! I love the discuss this kind of thing and think we're all better off to have it (with different opinions).
 
Totally agree, but it is pretty hard to get excited about a retention rate though and there are also the silver and golden buttons, as well as other opportunities, that come with high sub counts that people will be looking forward to.

I do try to pay attention to, and improve, my retention rate though as I go along and I think I am doing quite well. I am at around 46% and yeah I think some of my older videos are pulling me down, my newer ones get around 60% retention.
 
Subscribers are great because in theory they are X amount of people who are likely to come and have a look at your next video, and they should be people who will appreciate your new video if it's similar in terms of content and quality to your last one. I have 800 subscribers, but I want to get into the thousands, ideally the tens of thousands of views, which I'm not going to do entirely from my subscriber base - but if they view the video early on in it's upload time and have a good retention rate, that should bump the video up for others to find.

For me, my videos aren't daily, weekly or even monthly - so it's a bit more of a long-term strategy - so subscribers help to get "early" views and hopefully likes to bump the video up the list for months to come hopefully for others to stumble across.

In terms of retention rate for this month - it seems higher than 30% for me, across the board.

My most popular video has a retention rate of 44%, with my highest score being 95% and my lowest being 43%. But then again, the people watching the 44% video are watching it for 2 mins 57 seconds on average, compared to the 95% video which is actually only 35 seconds average viewtime. Which one would be seen as more "valuable" in your opinion, and in Youtube's?, @ZachYT?
 
Totally agree, but it is pretty hard to get excited about a retention rate though and there are also the silver and golden buttons, as well as other opportunities, that come with high sub counts that people will be looking forward to.

I do try to pay attention to, and improve, my retention rate though as I go along and I think I am doing quite well. I am at around 46% and yeah I think some of my older videos are pulling me down, my newer ones get around 60% retention.
Indeed - but you're far more unlikely to get those Silver/Gold buttons without having a channel that a) people want to watch plenty of and b) is being promoted rather than punished by Youtube ranking systems.

But yes, as I said, it's just one thing that it SEEMS is overlooked. I could totally be wrong! 46% is awesome![DOUBLEPOST=1429543010,1429542178][/DOUBLEPOST]
My most popular video has a retention rate of 44%, with my highest score being 95% and my lowest being 43%. But then again, the people watching the 44% video are watching it for 2 mins 57 seconds on average, compared to the 95% video which is actually only 35 seconds average viewtime. Which one would be seen as more "valuable" in your opinion, and in Youtube's?, @ZachYT?

This brings more analytics into the equation... average length. The average length of Youtube varies depending on who did the research, how they did the research and when they did the research. In 2010, the average was 4:15ish. 2014, the top performing videos averaged 3:30 in length. But it all varies in between.

So with that said - technically they are both valuable. I believe that Google would weigh in the longer video with 44% retention higher than they would the 35 second clip with 95% and the reason being potential. Your longer video kept the audience engaged for more than the Youtube average, which means that your video has more ad revenue potential than the 35 second one. Bringing it back to Google and search engines... ad revenue on display ads for a website get higher payouts on sites that people stay longer on. Buzzfeed is a great example - they get you there, and keep you there and so their ads cost a lot more than a website with short form content such as Trend Hunter.[DOUBLEPOST=1429543064][/DOUBLEPOST]
I just pretend I have 0 subs and go on a per video basis.... I'm nearing 2 million views with only 625 subs.
That's amazing! How long do they watch your vids though?
 
Retention is very important, but it isn't everything. Your videos just have to be better than the competition. If you have varied content like I do, each video is going to have it's own collection of videos as competition.

I have one video that is 5:45 in length. As of today it has 69 views. The cool thing is that it has a retention rate of 82%. The bad thing is, it has so much competition that it hasn't gotten a signal view in over a week. That particular video is an unboxing of a 4TB WD My Book. Doing a search on YouTube yields pages and pages of results for unboxing videos and reviews for that same product.

My 2nd most popular video has a retention rate of 18%. It's about replacing engine mounts on a Focus. The last time I checked there were only about 3 or 4 other videos on all of YouTube covering the same topic.

I think your best bet is to make videos that have little or no competition.
 
Retention is very important, but it isn't everything. Your videos just have to be better than the competition. If you have varied content like I do, each video is going to have it's own collection of videos as competition..

Yes I wasn't suggesting it was the most important thing - just wanted to give it some attention considering it doesn't seem to get noticed.

I had a series going back in Jan/Feb that was getting 1000ish views an episode, however people were only staying for a couple minutes (episodes were 20 minutes long). So I cancelled it knowing that in the long run that kind of low retention would have killed my channel.
 
Yes I wasn't suggesting it was the most important thing - just wanted to give it some attention considering it doesn't seem to get noticed.

I had a series going back in Jan/Feb that was getting 1000ish views an episode, however people were only staying for a couple minutes (episodes were 20 minutes long). So I cancelled it knowing that in the long run that kind of low retention would have killed my channel.
Audience retention is the second most important thing imo.

After reading and my experience I feel your videos are ranked by the following formula: total minutes viewed * audience retention * secret Youtube formula = your video ranking

The video's with good audience retention tends to be ranked higher.
 
Indeed - but you're far more unlikely to get those Silver/Gold buttons without having a channel that a) people want to watch plenty of and b) is being promoted rather than punished by Youtube ranking systems.

But yes, as I said, it's just one thing that it SEEMS is overlooked. I could totally be wrong! 46% is awesome![DOUBLEPOST=1429543010,1429542178][/DOUBLEPOST]

This brings more analytics into the equation... average length. The average length of Youtube varies depending on who did the research, how they did the research and when they did the research. In 2010, the average was 4:15ish. 2014, the top performing videos averaged 3:30 in length. But it all varies in between.

So with that said - technically they are both valuable. I believe that Google would weigh in the longer video with 44% retention higher than they would the 35 second clip with 95% and the reason being potential. Your longer video kept the audience engaged for more than the Youtube average, which means that your video has more ad revenue potential than the 35 second one. Bringing it back to Google and search engines... ad revenue on display ads for a website get higher payouts on sites that people stay longer on. Buzzfeed is a great example - they get you there, and keep you there and so their ads cost a lot more than a website with short form content such as Trend Hunter.[DOUBLEPOST=1429543064][/DOUBLEPOST]
That's amazing! How long do they watch your vids though?
looks like 52 seconds, 57%
 
Keep in mind that subscribers usually generate somewhat higher audience retention times. So having a big number of highly engaged subscribers could be very beneficial for your channel!

With other words - the absolute subscribers number matters almost nothing but the number of highly engaged subscribers matters a lot!
 
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