Don't partner with Creative Nation

[TheDutchTexan]

I am sorry they did not pay your salary, but damn... you are working for the devil there...

My general advice: you don't partner up... period. How many people need to hear the horror stories of partnering up when they are small YouTubers to understand that it is not for small YouTubers at all. They will not deliver on promises and just take their cut. No one reads their contracts and naturally many say you can't unbind until a year has gone by.

 

[Styxie]

I am sorry they did not pay your salary, but damn... you are working for the devil there...

My general advice: you don't partner up... period. How many people need to hear the horror stories of partnering up when they are small YouTubers to understand that it is not for small YouTubers at all. They will not deliver on promises and just take their cut. No one reads their contracts and naturally many say you can't unbind until a year has gone by.

The devil is maybe a bit much haha. Truth be, they used to be a good network. Then it slowly went downhill...
Sure partnerships aren't for some youtubers, but for most you gain access to a lot of stuff for the equivalent of a few cent a month that they take

 

[KatyAdelson]

I've moved this to the YouTube Video Monetization & Partnership Forum. I've been seeing a lot of negative posts about Creative Nation lately. I wonder what has changed that has caused them to become so disorganized? =S

 

[Michael]

I've moved this to the YouTube Video Monetization & Partnership Forum. I've been seeing a lot of negative posts about Creative Nation lately. I wonder what has changed that has caused them to become so disorganized? =S

The other week they cut their staff in half almost so it is likely related to that but they have nearly always had payment issues even with the extra staff, they recently lost all of the channels in one of their top subnetworks and a few of their top channels so I believe that may be linked.

 

[CousinEd]

Shane should open an office in my country. Average wage ~900eur before taxes, low rent, people speak a decent level of English and the beach is nearby. Oh, and the internet is super fast and the government is only slightly corrupted.

 

[Crown]

Well I hope that all of you having problems get it sorted out.

Please keep us posted.

(It's important that the community is made aware of potential problems at networks. So long as the posts remain objective and based on facts that can be backed up, then this thread can stay open but anyone just posting things like "scam" with nothing to back it up will see their posts deleted. )

 

[Jonathan]

Hey folks,
Little prelude, this is all my opinion

Whatever you do, don't ever ever partner with Creative Nation.
I hate to air my dirty laundry in public, but I currently have no choice as the way they are treating me has been appalling, and a little bit of a public stink may make them wake up.

I am currently a network manager for the now defunct VN program, and since Creative Nation shut down their VN program about three months ago, I have not heard a single word from anyone in the main office.
I was not informed they would be shutting down the VN program prior, and once it was shut down, I have been completely ignored . As of the time of writing, they haven't paid my salary and are ignoring all contact, which means they owe me a fair bit of money. This isn't the first time, they've "forgotten" to pay me, sometimes "forgetting" a months salary then including it in the next pay check.
If this is how they treat their employees, then you can imagine how they treat their partners. Partner payments are always late, features that are promised are never delivered, support is usually not very fast, and there's always issues with unlinking and other shady deals.

I hate to air my dirty laundry in public, but I currently have no choice as the way they are treating me has been appalling, and a little bit of a public stink may make them wake up.

I'll be around to answer any questions you may have.

Why do you think I stopped doing anything as a sub network with them a year before they realised? (Exclusive Media Network) I got fed up of how they were treating staff, networks and even partners. When Creative Nation was a sub network under Forela Digital, they were great. I wouldn't be wanting to move anywhere else as a partner and a network. They treated you right, you got a response within minutes and they always assisted you. Then comes when they got their MCN. They were doing fine for a couple of months then comes the promises that they couldn't keep, lies and BS towards partners, networks and their own staff. They dismissed the staff members which were pretty much keeping Creative Nation the reputation they had.

Regards to the payments issues there... well.. how many times in a year would PayPal "limit" your account lol.. if Creative Nation provided the correct documents, they wouldn't be getting limited. That's if they were. There was even an excuse made about the Bank of Ireland not putting money into PayPal once. Yeah right..

Anyway, back to when I was a sub network, they terminated me before I even got my notice.. I always thought it had to be a months notice? It's not like I had a legal agreement with Creative Nation for my sub network because Shane never sent me one.

There you go. All I say is stay away. They're heading straight to the ter.

 

[Styxie]

Why do you think I stopped doing anything as a sub network with them a year before they realised? (Exclusive Media Network) I got fed up of how they were treating staff, networks and even partners. When Creative Nation was a sub network under Forela Digital, they were great. I wouldn't be wanting to move anywhere else as a partner and a network. They treated you right, you got a response within minutes and they always assisted you. Then comes when they got their MCN. They were doing fine for a couple of months then comes the promises that they couldn't keep, lies and BS towards partners, networks and their own staff. They dismissed the staff members which were pretty much keeping Creative Nation the reputation they had.

Regards to the payments issues there... well.. how many times in a year would PayPal "limit" your account lol.. if Creative Nation provided the correct documents, they wouldn't be getting limited. That's if they were. There was even an excuse made about the Bank of Ireland not putting money into PayPal once. Yeah right..

Anyway, back to when I was a sub network, they terminated me before I even got my notice.. I always thought it had to be a months notice? It's not like I had a legal agreement with Creative Nation for my sub network because Shane never sent me one.

There you go. All I say is stay away. They're heading straight to the ter.

I don't blame you! It's such a shame, Shane was on to something great. I really don't know what happened. but I'd suspect legal issues with Illuminatia etc.. What are you up to these days?

 

[Clam-]

Why do you think I stopped doing anything as a sub network with them a year before they realised? (Exclusive Media Network) I got fed up of how they were treating staff, networks and even partners. When Creative Nation was a sub network under Forela Digital, they were great. I wouldn't be wanting to move anywhere else as a partner and a network. They treated you right, you got a response within minutes and they always assisted you. Then comes when they got their MCN. They were doing fine for a couple of months then comes the promises that they couldn't keep, lies and BS towards partners, networks and their own staff. They dismissed the staff members which were pretty much keeping Creative Nation the reputation they had.

Regards to the payments issues there... well.. how many times in a year would PayPal "limit" your account lol.. if Creative Nation provided the correct documents, they wouldn't be getting limited. That's if they were. There was even an excuse made about the Bank of Ireland not putting money into PayPal once. Yeah right..

Anyway, back to when I was a sub network, they terminated me before I even got my notice.. I always thought it had to be a months notice? It's not like I had a legal agreement with Creative Nation for my sub network because Shane never sent me one.

There you go. All I say is stay away. They're heading straight to the ter.

Eh, I have to disagree with a few things, but you do have some valid points.

I was partnered with CN from February 2014 until ~May 2015. During those 15 months, they only once (actually twice, but second time it was resolved promptly) had issues with payments and everything was communicated well and issue with PayPal was resolved within a week or little more. What was happening after that, I'm not sure, but PayPal can limit your account multiple times a year without a doubt. I work for a company that was acquired by another billion+ dollar company last year and we also had issues with PayPal, which was essential for our business. However, all the issues were normally resolved within a few days (if even that long!), normally a few phone calls and sending some documentation was enough. Mind you, this is an US company, so laws and other stuff when dealing with PayPal might be different in UK, but I do feel CN took too long resolving their issues with PP.

When it comes to their promises... well yeah, there were a few, most notably Creative Suite that was announced at the end of 2014, pre-beta invites were sent out in early 2015 but to this day, it still hasn't been finished. That sucks and someone should get fired for that. However, they used to do some really cool giveaways - I actually won a decent headset that I've been using for a while until I upgraded to Logitech one and they had cool series where they featured various channels and had others comment about them and give their thoughts how those channels could be improved.

Creative Nation WAS great, I've been extremely active on their forums at the time and I knew of all the problems, if there were any. However, I would imagine things were further down the hill in Q3 2015 and later on, as seen nowadays by various threads here and on CN forums. I agree with Styxie's comment from other thread, Creative Nation needs to rebrand, they need to do serious changes if they don't want to lose even more partners and get even more negative feedback from partners.

 

[Jonathan]

Eh, I have to disagree with a few things, but you do have some valid points.

I was partnered with CN from February 2014 until ~May 2015. During those 15 months, they only once (actually twice, but second time it was resolved promptly) had issues with payments and everything was communicated well and issue with PayPal was resolved within a week or little more. What was happening after that, I'm not sure, but PayPal can limit your account multiple times a year without a doubt. I work for a company that was acquired by another billion+ dollar company last year and we also had issues with PayPal, which was essential for our business. However, all the issues were normally resolved within a few days (if even that long!), normally a few phone calls and sending some documentation was enough. Mind you, this is an US company, so laws and other stuff when dealing with PayPal might be different in UK, but I do feel CN took too long resolving their issues with PP.

When it comes to their promises... well yeah, there were a few, most notably Creative Suite that was announced at the end of 2014, pre-beta invites were sent out in early 2015 but to this day, it still hasn't been finished. That sucks and someone should get fired for that. However, they used to do some really cool giveaways - I actually won a decent headset that I've been using for a while until I upgraded to Logitech one and they had cool series where they featured various channels and had others comment about them and give their thoughts how those channels could be improved.

Creative Nation WAS great, I've been extremely active on their forums at the time and I knew of all the problems, if there were any. However, I would imagine things were further down the hill in Q3 2015 and later on, as seen nowadays by various threads here and on CN forums. I agree with Styxie's comment from other thread, Creative Nation needs to rebrand, they need to do serious changes if they don't want to lose even more partners and get even more negative feedback from partners.

Fair enough. I've been there since April 2013 (before they even launched as a Virtual Network) up until Feb this year. I can assure you, there were more than 2 payment issues since they were an MCN. I've had terrible support from Creative Nation, even most of my partners had terrible support from them, that's why they followed me.

Regards to the Creator Suite dashboard, it's been announced for a very long time. They were going to release a dashboard called "Booster Programme" which I believe is just re-named to Creator Suite. I have seen the Creator Suite dashboard but it wasnt working correctly, I was also supposed to be allowed access after a virtual network call I had with Shane and other networks. Yes, Creative Nation really needs to start again and think about how they F'd up. It's just gone down hill.

I don't blame you! It's such a shame, Shane was on to something great. I really don't know what happened. but I'd suspect legal issues with Illuminatia etc.. What are you up to these days?

Well, since October last year, I became a sub network under Scale Lab. Started up a new business named "Digital Opportunities" and I can tell you one thing, they gave better support than Creative Nation. Assisted me on everything and within 3 months, I had a few partners and getting more views per month than I ever did at Creative Nation. The dashboard is a lot better, more freedom for your business, etc.. But of course, since all the YouTube sub network drama started, I had to stop as a network. It upset me but I cannot run as a network unless I get CO or become an MCN. Sucks really..

These days, I'm starting up a new YouTube channel for Automotive repairs. "Jono's Auto Repairs". Currently building the website, getting intro and branding done and then start finishing off my first video!.[DOUBLEPOST=1469101343,1469101203][/DOUBLEPOST]Update: after taking a look at the Creative Nation forums, they're doing "CreatorSuite Transfer Process". Looks like it's becoming "live".. lol.. We'll see.