A way to gain more views? :)

[XXLRay]

@CaleoGamingChannel make more tutorials in a similar genre that your successful video had.

And now to the marketing discussion ...
My channel is a good example that simply creating good content does not work. I am on YouTube since 2006 and my channel hasn't sykrocketed yet.
Even though I get basically only extremely positive feedback and have a 90+% audience retention my traffic from search and external websites is by far higher than what comes from suggested videos. According to some people's logic a high audience retention automatically boosts your videos in suggestions but that's not true - at least not for me.
What definitely is true for me is that after I promote my video in communities that are interested in my content I get a spike in views and watched minutes from external but not from suggested traffic.

Big channels don't necessarily need to put that much effort into promotion because their followers do that job simply by sharing the content. Their fan base furthermore pushes their audience retention already beyond anything a new guy could reach. The problem is that if you are small or have a target audience that is lazy when it comes to sharing you are pretty much screwed without active promotion.
Channels that are big will most likely already grow because they are what they are - big - even if their content is not top notch. They can be lazy with their channel trailers as anybody already knows what they are doing because they heard from them before.
So techniques you see on channels that are already big may not be the best to copy for a channel that still needs to grow. They are simply at a completely different stage of their development. It would rather be a good idea to learn from channels that are on a similar stage as yours but that are growing faster.

@Jack Decker note that @YouTuber1978 had formerly linked his channel and it was fairly big - if I remember correctly somewhere around 100k. So he indeed has some experience but just because he got lucky that the YouTube algorithm worked well for him by picking up his quality content doesn't mean it works for everybody.
Where he is indeed correct is that promoting to the wrong targets will lead to low audience retention and thus less suggested video traffic.

 

[ChineseIrish]

Just to be clear, despite what Jack Ranter is saying, we all agree marketing is important.

Where we disagree is that Jack says Marketing is the most important thing.

In order to 'win' his argument he keeps twisting our words and using insulting language. He's probably the oldest guy on this thread and the most immature. Normally I wouldn't care but he keeps shoving words in other peoples mouths, including mine.

As for my channel being smaller than his, thus less 'successful'...

For the past year my channel has been focused on helping people who want to study Korean in Korea by giving them information that's otherwise not on the internet. It's not exactly a big target audience nor the kind of channel you subscribe to, but right now that's not the point.
I've met around 20 people in real life who have flown here to Korea to study who have said my my videos helped them a lot. Three of those people are my real life friends now. I think that's a pretty huge success.

 

[Wowser Palooza]

@Jack Decker Could we have a link to YOUR channel

 

[XXLRay]

Just to be clear, despite what Jack Ranter is saying, we all agree marketing is important.

No, what @YouTuber1978 explicitly states is that any promotion hurts your channel. With no word did @Jack Decker say that marketing is the most important thing. He instead said marketing of course only works if you have good content.

 

[FurryNomNoms]

I guess the question is how do you get more sustained viewership. Simple, people need to watch you because of your personality not because of the game/topic of the video you are doing.

 

[ChineseIrish]

Well, then I apologise.
I misspoke earlier about about Youtuber1978's stance. I misunderstood what his opinion was and misrepresented him.

I stick by the fact that marketing is not the most important strategy towards making a 'successful' channel.
But I never said what Jack is trying to imply that I'm saying.

And let us talk about "the point" so there's no confusion between us or by those reading our exchanges. The point you're advocating is that you do not need to do marketing but only focus on making great content to be a success on YouTube.

If I did actually say that I'm sure he'd direct quote me.

No, what With no word did @Jack Decker say that marketing is the most important thing. He instead said marketing of course only works if you have good content.

I guess I misunderstood Jack's stance too.
When I said that content was the most important thing and he disagreed with my statement, I assumed he was saying constant wasn't the most important thing and marketing was more important.

 

[Jack Decker]

You're missing the ENTIRE point on channel trailers. Look up pewdiepie, vanossgaming, ( the most successful gaming channels on youtube ) and you will see him playing a game, you will not see him saying he runs a funny channel. If you're showing them what you actually do, instead of saying "I make funny videos", you will do better.

Again, where did I EVER say you shouldn't show clips of your channel in your channel trailer? Also, where did I ever say you should say that you're funny? What I am saying is to tell what you do on your channel and not assume people will be able to figure it out by only watching your clips. With a gaming channel, telling viewers that you only play Halo games or you specialize in FPS games or you do a variety of genres is something potential subscribers should know so they know what your channel is offering.

Search up "dolphin emulator fixes", my video is at the very top, you will notice videos with up to 300k views, but mine with 28k views ranks the highest.

Actually, Number #2 only has 6,147 view and #5 has a measly 593 so they're actually do better than your video by your own standards. I didn't see any that had 300K. The closest one to that was 275K and that video was 3 years old whereas yours is only a year old.

More importantly, your phrase as ZERO searches done on it. Go to Google AdWords' Keyword Planner. When I entered in "dolphin emulator fixes", it reported "We can't display search volume charts because your keywords don't have any searches." So you're the King of the Hill of a hill no one is climbing.

Why, audience retention.

Sorry, you cannot assume that. It could be part of the issue, but, as far as the 275K video goes, it could simply be that your video is a third of its age.

Why did they watch my video? Because I address the issues and have the BEST video on explaining it.

Says who? You?

As for marketing, I never promoted, done anything with that video besides upload it. Never worked to get it exposed, simply uploaded it and in a few weeks time, it was the #1 video. Something to do with quality I believe.

Which is a moot point given no one searches for that phrase.

In this forum, neither of them have said marketing is not important,...

No, YouTuber1978 said EXACTLY that. He is and has been actively discouraging people from doing marketing on this forum.

As for ChineseIrish, as explained in a later post by her in this thread, she simply didn't understand what position that YouTuber1978 was truly advocating and thus was wrongly defending him.

And everytime they said how important creating quality content, you provide a counter argument with some hollywood analogies. After you used this analogy, you never followed up on why it's important to do both. You simply said "If you build it, they will come. Sorry. That's only a Hollywood fantasy." Which makes people believe you advocate for marketing content regardless of quality.

Since many posters to this thread get that I am not saying only doing marketing, possibly it is you who isn't getting what is being said. That I have to repeat my same arguments to you and rebuttal the same points you continue to make, that might be what is going on here. Perhaps?

You can't argue against their points, then say it's important to create quality content.

Yes, I can when I am not saying you should only do marketing but am and have been saying you should do both. YouTuber1978 is the one that is saying only make great content and do no marketing.

If this was a debate match, I would have won the match by default because you agreed to their point. Judges would disqualify you. I've had this happen plenty of times in my PF Matches.

No, actually the debate moderator would have pointed out that you repeatedly miss what I've previously said (possibly even stopping the debate to reprimand you on this repeated error) and it would be counted heavily against you in the debate. Yeah, I was too on a university debating team myself.

Yes, quality content and marketing are important. I've stated this many times yet you continue to argue with me

Because you keep saying I only say to do marketing as you just did above.

Personally speaking, don't take it the wrong way, but this is a youtube forum, meant for youtubers.

What?! Where does it say YTtalk is only for those who are currently making YouTube channels and not for those who are planning on making a channel or are simply interested in the topic? That's really really odd. When I introduced myself in the "Introduce Yourself" forum and told the forum I was working on starting a YouTube channel, everyone that replied made me feel real welcomed. Did they misunderstand what I wrote like you have in this thread?

You keep talking about a supposed game show you are creating, but haven't done it.

Yes, it is called research, planning, preparation and timing. What it isn't is rushing into something simply to rush into something. As doing a YouTube show isn't a life or death thing (for me at least), you can and should take your time before jumping in IF you want to do it as a business. That and I have a life outside of YouTube that I enjoy.

Also, I am looking at YouTube as my last career move but I am expecting to make another career move before then. Right now, I am waiting to hear from three groups of investors who each want me to be their marketing director. One (a restaurant chain) is right here, another is in Las Vegas, and a third is in Miami. I am holding off starting my YouTube channel until one of those offers come through or all fall through. If the Las Vegas or Miami job comes through, I don't want to start my channel here and then try to keep producing and releasing episodes during the coming move and getting used to the new job. No, what I plan to do is wait until I make the move and the job becomes routine before starting my channel.

If you want to give people advice on how to run a YOUTUBE channel, please at least have a youtube channel yourself.

By your same logic, I shouldn't then give marketing advice to funeral homes, bakeries, auto repair shops, restaurants, insurance companies, lawyers, construction companies, and private boarding schools because I haven't started and run one of those either. But you know what's odd about that? I have been hired by all those businesses and many more to do marketing for them. Isn't that odd? Obviously if you're right, they were wrong in hiring me, right?

The truth is that YouTube is NOT special when it comes to marketing principles. Anyone who says so simply shows they know nothing about marketing. So if you are well versed in marketing, you should be able to help YouTubers who might not be.

What I have done here is limit myself to giving marketing advice on this forum. As I've been a marketer for three decades, I feel I can confidently do so and help YouTubers who do not have the funds to hire a marketer like me to help them. I consider it pro bono work and giving something to the community I am planning to soon join. Paying it forward, so to speak. In fact, I have already had YTtalkers offer to pay me if I would review their channel, but I have always turned down their offer and done a review of their channel for free. All I ask is they do it in a public thread (PMing me a link to their review thread when it is finally up) so others might also read it and thus hopefully benefit.

Jack let's bury the hatchet?

I will if you do one of two things:

1) Prove that you have successful "monster" channels that have followed your no-marketing strategy. Personally, I don't believe you have any successful channel. And by proof I mean tell us your channel titles. Let us go and check out your channel so we can determine for ourselves that they are A) successful and B) followed your no-marketing strategy.

2) Stop saying you have successful channels when giving out advice as proof that your advice works. You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to claim you have a successful channel, use that claim to bolster your advice, and then refuse to provide REAL proof that you have said successful channels. And if you have any decency and agree to do this option, you should then go back into your archive and remove your claims of having a successful channel from them, except where I've called you on it. Where I've called you on it, post a reply that retracts your claim.

You do either of those and I will bury the hatchet.

My channel is a good example that simply creating good content does not work. I am on YouTube since 2006 and my channel hasn't skyrocketed yet.
Even though I get basically only extremely positive feedback and have a 90+% audience retention my traffic from search and external websites is by far higher than what comes from suggested videos. According to some people's logic a high audience retention automatically boosts your videos in suggestions but that's not true - at least not for me.

It doesn't hurt to have high audience retention, but, yes, it is a lousy solo strategy.

What definitely is true for me is that after I promote my video in communities that are interested in my content I get a spike in views and watched minutes from external but not from suggested traffic.

Try collaborations. With collaborations, you will get just not more views but more subscribers. When another YouTuber has you on their show or they appear on your show (giving their subscribers a link to see them on your show), those who come to your channel are already YouTube subscribers. That means you've gotten over one of the hurtles for the viewers to subscribe to ANY YouTube channel. Now you're just essentially asking them in the collaboration video to simply add another subscription to those they already have.

Another good thing why collaborations are better than posting to text forums is because collaboration videos show you as a YouTube star. No, I'm not being flippant by calling you then a star. You are at that moment. You're having another YouTuber hold you up to their subscribers as someone they should also subscribe to. In other words, one of the biggest things you get from doing a collaboration is that YouTuber's endorsement of you to their subscribers. Pretty awesome if you think about it.

Another thing that collaboration videos have over text forums is that the videos show viewers you in a video. In other words, they get to see you as YouTuber and not as just a forum typist. The most that most forums give you is an avatar that you can have be your mugshot (see mine here). But a mugshot isn't the same as actual video. Video where people see you move and, most importantly of all, hear you speak.

Big channels don't necessarily need to put that much effort into promotion because their followers do that job simply by sharing the content.

Yup, the snowball effect is most evident with big channels. However, it does happen on small channels BUT if only 1% of your subscribers share your videos with others (which is a FANTASTIC share rate, by the way) and you only have 90 subscribers, statistically you have essentially a 0% chance that a share will occur. Yes, it is actually merely less than 1% but that's why I said "essentially" since odds are it won't happen.

The problem is that if you are small or have a target audience that is lazy when it comes to sharing you are pretty much screwed without active promotion.

Pretty much. But there are lots of different way of promoting your channel. One size doesn't not fit all. While, yes, I do have a Word document that I copy and paste for most of my channel reviews, I always go beyond it by first giving poster specific suggestions. I also delete certain suggestions from the standard advice I give out because some suggestions are off the mark for that specific YouTuber. And then there are some YouTubers who have very unique channels that deserve a lot of special advice, such as the one I did for @chottom (thread title: "General channel review").

Channels that are big will most likely already grow because they are what they are - big - even if their content is not top notch. They can be lazy with their channel trailers as anybody already knows what they are doing because they heard from them before.

Not to mention the press coverage that big channels get. Forbes just did a profile of some of the most financially successful YouTubers. Do a YouTube search for "YouTube's Richest: Behind The Scenes". All the camera flashing you see going on in that video are for the photographs that will appear in the Forbes magazine's article about them. Not that I think any of them will get many subscribers from that different medium but being profiled in that Forbes article will definitely help their celebrity status and interest by still more news media.

So techniques you see on channels that are already big may not be the best to copy for a channel that still needs to grow. They are simply at a completely different stage of their development. It would rather be a good idea to learn from channels that are on a similar stage as yours but that are growing faster.

This is why I routinely suggest YouTubers here to post fliers around where they live. Yes, those fliers won't bring in millions of views and thousands of subscribers, but if your channel is under 1,000, bringing in a mere 100 would be HUGE for your channel.

@Jack Decker[/USER] note that @YouTuber1978 had formerly linked his channel and it was fairly big - if I remember correctly somewhere around 100k.

Which begs the question why he's not willing to publicly name his channel now. Was the channel you saw really his channel?

So he indeed has some experience but just because he got lucky that the YouTube algorithm worked well for him by picking up his quality content doesn't mean it works for everybody.

Actually, in his last PM to me, he accidentally revealed a major reason why his channel (if it exists at all) is successful which destroys his position.

Where he is indeed correct is that promoting to the wrong targets will lead to low audience retention and thus less suggested video traffic.

I don't think he has ever made that distinction. He only advocates a no-marketing position.

Well, then I apologise.
I misspoke earlier about about Youtuber1978's stance. I misunderstood what his opinion was and misrepresented him.

I will assume that apology was to XXLRay and not me. Nevertheless, it is at least good to see that you finally understand what you were wrongly defending. I will pretty much leave your other recent posts alone because of this. However...

You somehow quoted XXLRay as saying: "And let us talk about "the point" so there's no confusion between us or by those reading our exchanges. The point you're advocating is that you do not need to do marketing but only focus on making great content to be a success on YouTube." And then said:

If I did actually say that I'm sure he'd direct quote me.

First, XXLRay didn't say that. I did.

Second, I was summing up your and YouTuber1978's position. I was doing so so there would be no confusion ... which happened anyway but I at least tried to prevent it with the above statement.

 

[RodakTV]

Again, where did I EVER say you shouldn't show clips of your channel in your channel trailer? Also, where did I ever say you should say that you're funny? What I am saying is to tell what you do on your channel and not assume people will be able to figure it out by only watching your clips. With a gaming channel, telling viewers that you only play Halo games or you specialize in FPS games or you do a variety of genres is something potential subscribers should know so they know what your channel is offering.



Actually, Number #2 only has 6,147 view and #5 has a measly 593 so they're actually do better than your video by your own standards. I didn't see any that had 300K. The closest one to that was 275K and that video was 3 years old whereas yours is only a year old.

More importantly, your phrase as ZERO searches done on it. Go to Google AdWords' Keyword Planner. When I entered in "dolphin emulator fixes", it reported "We can't display search volume charts because your keywords don't have any searches." So you're the King of the Hill of a hill no one is climbing.



Sorry, you cannot assume that. It could be part of the issue, but, as far as the 275K video goes, it could simply be that your video is a third of its age.



Says who? You?



Which is a moot point given no one searches for that phrase.



No, YouTuber1978 said EXACTLY that. He is and has been actively discouraging people from doing marketing on this forum.

As for ChineseIrish, as explained in a later post by her in this thread, she simply didn't understand what position that YouTuber1978 was truly advocating and thus was wrongly defending him.



Since many posters to this thread get that I am not saying only doing marketing, possibly it is you who isn't getting what is being said. That I have to repeat my same arguments to you and rebuttal the same points you continue to make, that might be what is going on here. Perhaps?



Yes, I can when I am not saying you should only do marketing but am and have been saying you should do both. YouTuber1978 is the one that is saying only make great content and do no marketing.



No, actually the debate moderator would have pointed out that you repeatedly miss what I've previously said (possibly even stopping the debate to reprimand you on this repeated error) and it would be counted heavily against you in the debate. Yeah, I was too on a university debating team myself.



Because you keep saying I only say to do marketing as you just did above.



What?! Where does it say YTtalk is only for those who are currently making YouTube channels and not for those who are planning on making a channel or are simply interested in the topic? That's really really odd. When I introduced myself in the "Introduce Yourself" forum and told the forum I was working on starting a YouTube channel, everyone that replied made me feel real welcomed. Did they misunderstand what I wrote like you have in this thread?



Yes, it is called research, planning, preparation and timing. What it isn't is rushing into something simply to rush into something. As doing a YouTube show isn't a life or death thing (for me at least), you can and should take your time before jumping in IF you want to do it as a business. That and I have a life outside of YouTube that I enjoy.

Also, I am looking at YouTube as my last career move but I am expecting to make another career move before then. Right now, I am waiting to hear from three groups of investors who each want me to be their marketing director. One (a restaurant chain) is right here, another is in Las Vegas, and a third is in Miami. I am holding off starting my YouTube channel until one of those offers come through or all fall through. If the Las Vegas or Miami job comes through, I don't want to start my channel here and then try to keep producing and releasing episodes during the coming move and getting used to the new job. No, what I plan to do is wait until I make the move and the job becomes routine before starting my channel.



By your same logic, I shouldn't then give marketing advice to funeral homes, bakeries, auto repair shops, restaurants, insurance companies, lawyers, construction companies, and private boarding schools because I haven't started and run one of those either. But you know what's odd about that? I have been hired by all those businesses and many more to do marketing for them. Isn't that odd? Obviously if you're right, they were wrong in hiring me, right?

The truth is that YouTube is NOT special when it comes to marketing principles. Anyone who says so simply shows they know nothing about marketing. So if you are well versed in marketing, you should be able to help YouTubers who might not be.

What I have done here is limit myself to giving marketing advice on this forum. As I've been a marketer for three decades, I feel I can confidently do so and help YouTubers who do not have the funds to hire a marketer like me to help them. I consider it pro bono work and giving something to the community I am planning to soon join. Paying it forward, so to speak. In fact, I have already had YTtalkers offer to pay me if I would review their channel, but I have always turned down their offer and done a review of their channel for free. All I ask is they do it in a public thread (PMing me a link to their review thread when it is finally up) so others might also read it and thus hopefully benefit.



I will if you do one of two things:

1) Prove that you have successful "monster" channels that have followed your no-marketing strategy. Personally, I don't believe you have any successful channel. And by proof I mean tell us your channel titles. Let us go and check out your channel so we can determine for ourselves that they are A) successful and B) followed your no-marketing strategy.

2) Stop saying you have successful channels when giving out advice as proof that your advice works. You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to claim you have a successful channel, use that claim to bolster your advice, and then refuse to provide REAL proof that you have said successful channels. And if you have any decency and agree to do this option, you should then go back into your archive and remove your claims of having a successful channel from them, except where I've called you on it. Where I've called you on it, post a reply that retracts your claim.

You do either of those and I will bury the hatchet.



It doesn't hurt to have high audience retention, but, yes, it is a lousy solo strategy.



Try collaborations. With collaborations, you will get just not more views but more subscribers. When another YouTuber has you on their show or they appear on your show (giving their subscribers a link to see them on your show), those who come to your channel are already YouTube subscribers. That means you've gotten over one of the hurtles for the viewers to subscribe to ANY YouTube channel. Now you're just essentially asking them in the collaboration video to simply add another subscription to those they already have.

Another good thing why collaborations are better than posting to text forums is because collaboration videos show you as a YouTube star. No, I'm not being flippant by calling you then a star. You are at that moment. You're having another YouTuber hold you up to their subscribers as someone they should also subscribe to. In other words, one of the biggest things you get from doing a collaboration is that YouTuber's endorsement of you to their subscribers. Pretty awesome if you think about it.

Another thing that collaboration videos have over text forums is that the videos show viewers you in a video. In other words, they get to see you as YouTuber and not as just a forum typist. The most that most forums give you is an avatar that you can have be your mugshot (see mine here). But a mugshot isn't the same as actual video. Video where people see you move and, most importantly of all, hear you speak.



Yup, the snowball effect is most evident with big channels. However, it does happen on small channels BUT if only 1% of your subscribers share your videos with others (which is a FANTASTIC share rate, by the way) and you only have 90 subscribers, statistically you have essentially a 0% chance that a share will occur. Yes, it is actually merely less than 1% but that's why I said "essentially" since odds are it won't happen.



Pretty much. But there are lots of different way of promoting your channel. One size doesn't not fit all. While, yes, I do have a Word document that I copy and paste for most of my channel reviews, I always go beyond it by first giving poster specific suggestions. I also delete certain suggestions from the standard advice I give out because some suggestions are off the mark for that specific YouTuber. And then there are some YouTubers who have very unique channels that deserve a lot of special advice, such as the one I did for @chottom (thread title: "General channel review").



Not to mention the press coverage that big channels get. Forbes just did a profile of some of the most financially successful YouTubers. Do a YouTube search for "YouTube's Richest: Behind The Scenes". All the camera flashing you see going on in that video are for the photographs that will appear in the Forbes magazine's article about them. Not that I think any of them will get many subscribers from that different medium but being profiled in that Forbes article will definitely help their celebrity status and interest by still more news media.



This is why I routinely suggest YouTubers here to post fliers around where they live. Yes, those fliers won't bring in millions of views and thousands of subscribers, but if your channel is under 1,000, bringing in a mere 100 would be HUGE for your channel.



Which begs the question why he's not willing to publicly name his channel now. Was the channel you saw really his channel?



Actually, in his last PM to me, he accidentally revealed a major reason why his channel (if it exists at all) is successful which destroys his position.



I don't think he has ever made that distinction. He only advocates a no-marketing position.



I will assume that apology was to XXLRay and not me. Nevertheless, it is at least good to see that you finally understand what you were wrongly defending. I will pretty much leave your other recent posts alone because of this. However...

You somehow quoted XXLRay as saying: "And let us talk about "the point" so there's no confusion between us or by those reading our exchanges. The point you're advocating is that you do not need to do marketing but only focus on making great content to be a success on YouTube." And then said:



First, XXLRay didn't say that. I did.

Second, I was summing up your and YouTuber1978's position. I was doing so so there would be no confusion ... which happened anyway but I at least tried to prevent it with the above statement.

You're still missing the entire point of the trailer. I'm an not going to keep going in depth about it if you are just going to get it confused. As you do not run a gaming youtube channel, I do not expect your to understand a gaming youtube channel. We are both advocating for a similar thing, just a different approach.

As for my dolphin emulator video, you can search up a variety of heavily searched tags including "dolphin emulator fixes" which is something that is searched quite often to due the nature of the emulator. I've checked how often it's searched and it's a quite popular tag. All those videos below mine, ALSO have the same key words. Your point about the 6k channels, falls to my side. It clearly proves that audience retention is higher on their videos than the others regardless of views.

You are still missing my point on quality and marketing, I have stated several times it's important to do both. You are putting a larger emphasis on marketing, I'm saying put a larger emphasis on creating quality content, if you are confused by that, it's been cleared up.

My point about you not being a youtuber is quite clear. You are giving youtubers advice on how to gain more views, yes you have good marketing tips, which I have stated plenty of times before, but as a marketer you should know that marketing bad quality is not good, and in the long run will not help you gain any views. If you had created a youtube channel already, and experienced the grind of creating quality content for your viewers, you would easily understand this point. I am not discouraging you from making a youtube channel, but simply stating that if you are going to give your "expert" advice on youtube, please at least have experience with youtube. Planning is good, don't get me wrong, but a lot us believe you are all talk, which has been pointed out by several people.

In the end, youtube is more than just marketing. It's about creating quality content for your viewers. Yes, marketing has a important role, but is not the main role. Jack, you are repeatedly missing my point on it.

Heck, I've been agreeing with you for the MOST part yet you continue to argue with me. It truly baffles me.

 

[robin520]

because business plans are not reality, they are simply guides and there's no guarantee.

This is so true. I spent less than 2 hours on my business plan and built a really successful company. Anyone who says you should spend months or years on a business plan has probably never run a business.

 

[YouTuber1978]

This is why I routinely suggest YouTubers here to post fliers around where they live. Yes, those fliers won't bring in millions of views and thousands of subscribers, but if your channel is under 1,000, bringing in a mere 100 would be HUGE for your channel.

Lol. What a waste of time. Cost of printing flyers $5. Cost of gas to drive around $5. Cost of your time $10.

Earnings from the few hundred views the flyers would send you. Less than a dollar. Lol, please folks. Don't make flyers. It's not a good idea.

By your same logic, I shouldn't then give marketing advice to funeral homes, bakeries, auto repair shops, restaurants, insurance companies, lawyers, construction companies, and private boarding schools because I haven't started and run one of those either. I have been hired by all those businesses.

Jack not exactly a who's who of impressive businesses on this list. What was your role in marketing? Handing out flyers? I can see them now.

"Jim Bob's Funeral Home - Call us before you die"
"Paul's Insurance Agency - This Valentines Day Say, Say I Love You with term life"
"Mark's Taco Shack - Free roll of toilet paper with every order"

I am waiting to hear from three groups of investors who each want me to be their marketing director

Lol

I consider it pro bono work and giving something to the community

Jack so generous. Can you make me a flyer?

if you're right, they were wrong in hiring me, right?

Yep, right.

I've been a marketer for three decades

Can you just ad "I've been a marketer for three decades" to your signature. We get it.

In fact, I have already had YTtalkers offer to pay me if I would review their channel, but I have always turned down their offer and done a review of their channel for free.

Lol.

@Jack Decker Let me give you some "pro-bono advice" from "my three decades of life experience". Quit arguing with everyone all the time. Pick on me if you want, I'm a big boy - I pick on you because I think you're a bully, you pick on everyone.

This is so true. I spent less than 2 hours on my business plan and built a really successful company. Anyone who says you should spend months or years on a business plan has probably never run a business.

Careful Robin. You're going against the advice of the great Jack Decker