A way to gain more views? :)

[weeeben]

Now I was going to challenge you to have your channel and my upcoming game show compete for a year after mine is launched. Yup, even though your channel has been on YouTube for over a year. We would then compare results at the end of my show's first year. However, that would be comparing apples to oranges and thus why I didn't issue that challenge.

what a load of rubbish.
you keep talking about your so called game show as if your the ants pants of youtube.
so far, in the 10 years youtube has been online, you've done diddly squat! sweet FA.
why give advice about things so viciously if you don't even have the experience yourself?
marketing my a**, karma will be your downfall.
your just talking hypothetically as if your show will be something, making out your this hero is easy when all your using to back it up is a lame "i'm going to do this"

I challenge you to be a man and pull your head in until you can practice what you preach.
right now your just a "gonna" gonna do this, gonna be that, I bet you've achieved nothing in your life.
but your gonna, hey?

 

[Kath]

@Jack Decker please stop calling Youtuber1978 a 'fraud'. We do not tolerate name calling here at YTtalk. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and it is at the users discretion to follow any advice here.

Youtube is a mix of everything that has been mentioned in this thread, and more.

There is no set formula, and yes it's hard work, dedication, good content, marketing, promotion and perhaps a little bit of luck.

 

[RodakTV]

EVERYONE! I come with the best and most decisive answer.

Making the best content you possibly can, IS the best way to grow your channel. Here's why.

Yes, you must advertise your videos, but not a lot. Too much is actually bad.

If a youtube with crappy videos advertises as much as a youtuber with amazing videos, who do you think is going to get more viewers? Like is this really a question.

People will NOT subscribe if your content is not up to par, no matter how much you market your content. Youtube actually penalizes you if you advertise too much and don't have good audience retention, which can happen if your videos are not all that great.

GUYS, we are CONTENT CREATORS. Not marketing fiends. Worry about making the best content you can, having fun, and the rest will come to you. I can personally say that since I've been more focused on just making awesome content, my channel as grown faster when I was more focused on advertising.

OP, also don't listen to Jack's advice on the channel trailer, if I could only watch channel trailers to determine if I would subscribe and watch their videos, I would definitely want actual funny moments instead of you telling me you're funny.

 

[Jack Decker]

This isn't a reply to Jack Decker but to those reading this thread. Jack Decker is a fraud and, as he has done here in the following, gives out horrible advice.

Oh, you're so cute when you lose a debate. Really you are. I mean to use my own words against me. Oh, wonders of wonders. You're SO creative and cute.

People that refuse to be reasoned with logic shouldn't be debated with. It just saps energy that could otherwise be used more constructively

When your logic is faulty, has been countered, and you cannot counter the counter-arguments, yeah, I suppose it does sap the energy out of you.[DOUBLEPOST=1444840069,1444839649][/DOUBLEPOST]

@Jack Decker please stop calling Youtuber1978 a 'fraud'. We do not tolerate name calling here at YTtalk. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and it is at the users discretion to follow any advice here.

YouTuber1978 is a fraud because he claims to have a "monster" successful YouTube channel and has never proven he has such. I've repeatedly ask he provide a link to it. He refuses. Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion but you are not entitled to claim you have a successful YouTube channel and thus your advice should be listened to and then refuse to prove you have such a successful channel. That is why I call him a fraud. And him getting away with saying so might mislead new YTtalkers in following his baseless advice. That damages them and hurts this forum. That is why I speak up against him and warn people about him.

 

[Harpuia]

It's not being a fraud.

There are two people here with two very different opinions. I'm just telling you that my strategy that has brought me to 377 subscribers in a little under 3 months is 40% content, 40% marketing, 20% collaborations.

 

[Jack Decker]

Making the best content you possibly can, IS the best way to grow your channel.

But is it the only way? That's YouTuber1978 and ChineseIrish's position. Is that yours?

Yes, you must advertise your videos...

Then their position isn't your position.

If a youtube with crappy videos advertises as much as a youtuber with amazing videos, who do you think is going to get more viewers? Like is this really a question.

It also isn't the question under debate either.

And marketing is more than just advertising. In fact, the best form of marketing for YouTube channels isn't advertising but collaboration.

People will NOT subscribe if your content is not up to par, no matter how much you market your content.

What is "par" is subjective. What you might not like might be what others like and vice versa.

Youtube actually penalizes you if you advertise too much and don't have good audience retention, which can happen if your videos are not all that great.

Where is there evidence of this? This makes no sense since who you're buying advertising from is likely YouTube itself. It would NEVER penalize its advertisers. Again, if you have proof that they do, show us. Tell the article title so we can do a Google search for it.

GUYS, we are CONTENT CREATORS. Not marketing fiends.

Oh, I'm a fiend now?

Worry about making the best content you can, having fun, and the rest will come to you.

If you build it, they will come. Sorry. That's only a Hollywood fantasy.

I can personally say that since I've been more focused on just making awesome content, my channel as grown faster when I was more focused on advertising.

Being "more focused on" isn't the same as only do that.

OP, also don't listen to Jack's advice on the channel trailer, if I could only watch channel trailers to determine if I would subscribe and watch their videos, I would definitely want actual funny moments instead of you telling me you're funny.

And where do I say NOT to show what you do in your channel trailer? What I am saying is that you need to also tell what you do. Don't assume they will figure it out. Don't assume they have ESP.[DOUBLEPOST=1444841293,1444841079][/DOUBLEPOST]

It's not being a fraud.

Fraud: "a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities". Google "fraud definition".

 

[RodakTV]

But is it the only way? That's YouTuber1978 and ChineseIrish's position. Is that yours?



Then their position isn't your position.



It also isn't the question under debate either.

And marketing is more than just advertising. In fact, the best form of marketing for YouTube channels isn't advertising but collaboration.



What is "par" is subjective. What you might not like might be what others like and vice versa.



Where is there evidence of this? This makes no sense since who you're buying advertising from is likely YouTube itself. It would NEVER penalize its advertisers. Again, if you have proof that they do, show us. Tell the article title so we can do a Google search for it.



Oh, I'm a fiend now?



If you build it, they will come. Sorry. That's only a Hollywood fantasy.



Being "more focused on" isn't the same as only do that.



And where do I say NOT to show what you do in your channel trailer? What I am saying is that you need to also tell what you do. Don't assume they will figure it out. Don't assume they have ESP.[DOUBLEPOST=1444841293,1444841079][/DOUBLEPOST]

Fraud: "a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities". Google "fraud definition".

Okay Jack, I'm going to lay it flat on the table for you.

For movie trailer, tv trailer, even a music video trailer, do you want them to sit down and explain what it's about, or would you rather see clips of it? All professional trailers ESPECIALLY for gaming, show the youtubers "best moments", which will attract viewers.

You seem to be in the illusion that if you don't make the best content you can, but market the balls out of it, it will do well. This is setting up youtubers to fail.

I COMPLETELY agree with Youtuber and ChineseIrish. They pointed out the great content is what makes a channel. Not the amount of marketing the channel does. NO WHERE, did they say marketing was a bad idea. They simply said to focus on making the BEST content possible. If you believe that this is a bad idea, I can no longer help you.

You have good points with collaboration, putting a face cam in, and trying to hook potential viewers right away.

You have also stated Youtuber wasn't a successful channel. You sir, have no right to determine that. You might believe success comes in numbers, while others do as well. But the true way to measure success as a youtuber, is how much fun you're having. I'm making videos, and I'm loving it. My small audience I have, also enjoys it. I KNOW I'm a successful channel because I love what I'm doing. I'm also growing faster.

Youtube uses an algorithm to determine how high your video will be in searches. It heavily relies on audience rentention. OVER marketing leads to lower audience retention. Don't believe me? There are TONS of threads talking about this on Yttalk.com. However, high quality content leads to higher audience retention, which leads to videos being listed high on searches.

Lastly, we are ALL content creators. Let's make sure creating the BEST content is our primary goal. Advertising your video comes second.

 

[Jack Decker]

Okay Jack, I'm going to lay it flat on the table for you.

Alrighty.

For movie trailer, tv trailer, even a music video trailer, do you want them to sit down and explain what it's about, or would you rather see clips of it?

But we're not talking about movies, TV shows, or even music videos. The average YouTuber is a talking head.

All professional trailers ESPECIALLY for gaming, show the youtubers "best moments", which will attract viewers.

Again, where did I say you shouldn't do so? What I did say is that you need to tell them that and not assume they possess ESP. Telling which game genre you specialize in literally takes seconds and you can and should talk over your video gaming clips. That's why people continue watching your gaming videos. Not your mad gaming skills. Then again, as I haven't spent a lot of time researching gaming channels, I could be off on this one. Please tell of successful gaming channels (million subs or more) where the YouTuber doesn't talk but just shows their awesome gameplay.

You seem to be in the illusion that if you don't make the best content you can, but market the balls out of it, it will do well. This is setting up youtubers to fail

No, you're wrong in that assumption. Where have I EVER posted such "advice" on YTtalk? Seriously. Go through the archive of my posts and tell me where. What I am saying is that only focusing on making great content will NOT make you successful on YouTube. You need to ALSO market yourself. Use SEO-friendly tags, catchy titles, even more catchy thumbnails, and, most importantly of all, do collaborations with other YouTubers.

I COMPLETELY agree with Youtuber and ChineseIrish. They pointed out the great content is what makes a channel. Not the amount of marketing the channel does. NO WHERE, did they say marketing was a bad idea. They simply said to focus on making the BEST content possible. If you believe that this is a bad idea, I can no longer help you.

That isn't what they're saying. YouTuber1978 and ChineseIrish are saying that you ONLY need to create great content and that marketing is a WASTE of time. YouTuber1978 explicitly recommends not to do marketing. You're not saying that, "Yes, you must advertise your videos..."

You have also stated Youtuber wasn't a successful channel. You sir, have no right to determine that.

YouTuber1978 claims to have a successful "monster" channel. Go to "Multiple YouTube Channels???" thread and see for yourself. He has claimed his channel is successful within this thread as well. If you claim to have a successful YouTube channel and use that to back up your position, it is totally reasonable for someone to then ask for proof that you have a successful channel. If you don't provide such proof (a mere link to your YouTube homepage) but continue to say your channel is successful and use that claim to back up the advice you continue to give out, you're a fraud until proven otherwise.

You might believe success comes in numbers, while others do as well. But the true way to measure success as a youtuber, is how much fun you're having.

But that isn't how YouTuber1978 is saying his channel is a success. I am measuring him by his own measuring stick.

Youtube uses an algorithm to determine how high your video will be in searches. It heavily relies on audience rentention. OVER marketing leads to lower audience retention. Don't believe me? There are TONS of threads talking about this on Yttalk.com. However, high quality content leads to higher audience retention, which leads to videos being listed high on searches.

The YouTube algorithm also takes into consider how many people view your videos. If few people view your videos, having a high audience retention is nullified by your lower viewer count. Yes, when you are competing against a video with the same number of viewer counts, higher audience retention of your videos will be counted in your favor but that isn't what you should be counting on happening everytime.

And if you don't market your channel, you're hoping that YouTube algorithm will alone make your channel successful. This is literally YouTube1978's position. That is the Hollywood fantasy of "If you build it, they will come." and the engineer's fantasy of "If you build a better mousetrap, the world will beat a path to your door." In the real world, if people don't know you exist, they won't frequent you. Hoping that YouTube's algorithm will pick your videos is akin to hoping to win the lottery. As I have asked YouTube1978 and ChineseIrish, please give me the name of a SINGLE successful YouTube channel who has only focused on creating great content and has done no marketing. I don't know of a SINGLE one that has, but if you do, I'm all ears. I would love to research that channel.

Lastly, we are ALL content creators. Let's make sure creating the BEST content is our primary goal. Advertising your video comes second.

And I haven't said otherwise. What I have said is that you cannot expect to be successful on YouTube without marketing.[DOUBLEPOST=1444849145,1444848423][/DOUBLEPOST]

why give advice about things so viciously if you don't even have the experience yourself?

This assumes that YouTube is something special. That it can and has successfully gone against established marketing principles. I've yet to see any evidence of that. If you have some, share.

your just talking hypothetically as if your show will be something, making out your this hero is easy when all your using to back it up is a lame "i'm going to do this

Over the years, I've learned that one of the worst things that businesses do is rush something out to get something out. That road is lined with failures. Researching something and moving forward when you believe it is the right time to do so generates FAR better results. Studies have shown that 90% of entrepreneurs fail when they have spent less than 6 months on their business plans whereas 90% succeed when they spend six month or more on it.

I challenge you to be a man and pull your head in until you can practice what you preach.
right now your just a "gonna" gonna do this, gonna be that, I bet you've achieved nothing in your life.
but your gonna, hey?

I will be soon. I am not going to rush my plans simply because of some little challenge from you. I come to this subforum because I would like to help. I've been a marketer for three decades and I don't mind doing a little pro bono work to help out small business owners. If you're a YouTuber wanting to make a living off of YouTube, you're a small business owner.

 

[TheSwedishTraveler]

It seems like I missed a huge conversation here.
I think both great content and some marketing is good here. The odds of relying on the youtube algorithm is not good.
You can do great content, and letting people know you exist without spamming, which inadvertently everyone here is doing. Everyone here lets people know that they have a channel, thus promoting themselves, thus doing marketing.

 

[Harpuia]

It seems like I missed a huge conversation here.
I think both great content and some marketing is good here. The odds of relying on the youtube algorithm is not good.
You can do great content, and letting people know you exist without spamming, which inadvertently everyone here is doing. Everyone here lets people know that they have a channel, thus promoting themselves, thus doing marketing.

Essentially what I said... >>

But yeah, you need advertising to get somewhere. IMO, tho I could be wrong, once you reach a certain amount of subs (dependent on what genre it is, it'll be 100, 500, or 1,000) then you can worry less about subs and worry more about views and audience retention.