ChineseIrish
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You're right. I don't have that quote.
But I do have a video backing up what I and Youtuber1978 were actually saying.
Youtube search: Epic Meal Time Meets Simon Cowell
Skip to 1 minute 35 seconds.
Done.
A way to gain more views? :)
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You're right. I don't have that quote.
But I do have a video backing up what I and Youtuber1978 were actually saying.
Youtube search: Epic Meal Time Meets Simon Cowell
Skip to 1 minute 35 seconds.
Done.
Jack Decker
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Not done. You're taking that out of context. What he is talking about is submitting an audition clip to Simon's show. Rewind back to 1:10 and watch it forward.
ChineseIrish
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Why does Simon want good videos? Because he want's his youtube channel to be successful. Is that really such a hard concept to grasp?
Regardless, here's more evidence to the point.
Youtube search: Good Mythical Mornings video, How to Start a YouTube Career. They only mention content.
Listen to the Ear Biscuits Podcast and pick any top Youtuber from the list.
They either talk about consistently making good content Grace Helbig, Felix Kjellberg, Shane Dawson, Rhett & Link, John Green, Hank Green, etc.
Or just a random video will suddenly go viral (based on it's content) Jenna Marbles, Hannah Heart.
Or a mix of the two, constantly making good content until something suddenly went viral, Harley Morenstien, Psy.
Or look at the Youtube Creators courses 9 of which are video content based. 3 or 4 are marketing based.
But maybe they're all just lying.
Instead lets look at the hard evidence.
Since marketing is the most important aspect of a channels success, it should be reasonable to assume that the top channels are the most heavily marketed ones, ie. People with huge marketing teams and budgets, probably all of them are companies.
Top three most subscribed channels on Youtube in order.
Pewdiepie, Holasoygerman, Youtube.
That's weird! How is the Youtube youtube channel less marketed than Pewdiepie, on the youtube platform!?! Everyone on youtube has heard of youtube. Not everyone that uses youtube has heard of Pewdiepie. Also, Holasoygerman, this guy I've never heard of before. He's doing a terrible job in marketing considering i spend sooo much time on youtube and have never once heard of him.
The first traditional media celebrity comes in at number 6, Rhiana. That's weird. Rhiana has Vevo supporting her on youtube. She's marketed on TV, radio, magazines, globally. I've never seen pewdiepie on tv, radio, on a billboard or in a magazine in real life before. In fact Beyonce is ranked number 50, 9 places below Zoella.
But if you think that's weird. Rhiana and Beyonce are only singers. She's not even a marketer. If marketing is the most important thing to being successful on youtube, it's weird how there's no 40 year old advertising executives in the top 100 channels on youtube. But it's weirder how all these 20 year old youtubers that play computer games all day are way better at marketing than said 40 year old ad executives.
Done.
Regardless, here's more evidence to the point.
Youtube search: Good Mythical Mornings video, How to Start a YouTube Career. They only mention content.
Listen to the Ear Biscuits Podcast and pick any top Youtuber from the list.
They either talk about consistently making good content Grace Helbig, Felix Kjellberg, Shane Dawson, Rhett & Link, John Green, Hank Green, etc.
Or just a random video will suddenly go viral (based on it's content) Jenna Marbles, Hannah Heart.
Or a mix of the two, constantly making good content until something suddenly went viral, Harley Morenstien, Psy.
Or look at the Youtube Creators courses 9 of which are video content based. 3 or 4 are marketing based.
But maybe they're all just lying.
Instead lets look at the hard evidence.
Since marketing is the most important aspect of a channels success, it should be reasonable to assume that the top channels are the most heavily marketed ones, ie. People with huge marketing teams and budgets, probably all of them are companies.
Top three most subscribed channels on Youtube in order.
Pewdiepie, Holasoygerman, Youtube.
That's weird! How is the Youtube youtube channel less marketed than Pewdiepie, on the youtube platform!?! Everyone on youtube has heard of youtube. Not everyone that uses youtube has heard of Pewdiepie. Also, Holasoygerman, this guy I've never heard of before. He's doing a terrible job in marketing considering i spend sooo much time on youtube and have never once heard of him.
The first traditional media celebrity comes in at number 6, Rhiana. That's weird. Rhiana has Vevo supporting her on youtube. She's marketed on TV, radio, magazines, globally. I've never seen pewdiepie on tv, radio, on a billboard or in a magazine in real life before. In fact Beyonce is ranked number 50, 9 places below Zoella.
But if you think that's weird. Rhiana and Beyonce are only singers. She's not even a marketer. If marketing is the most important thing to being successful on youtube, it's weird how there's no 40 year old advertising executives in the top 100 channels on youtube. But it's weirder how all these 20 year old youtubers that play computer games all day are way better at marketing than said 40 year old ad executives.
Done.
YouTuber1978
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I think this is my favorite post of all time
Sometimes when I listen to people talk about marketing and promoting on YouTube I just want to slap them back to the 1980's. They have zero understanding of social media, algorithms, etc. Awesome post!
Jack Decker
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But you cannot use his show as an example that you only need to make great content to be successful on YouTube. If you don't think Simon is promoting his YouTube channel like crazy, you're crazy. In fact, that video ITSELF is a collaboration project. I mean, you just used a marketing tool to supposedly prove you don't need marketing.
And let us talk about "the point" so there's no confusion between us or by those reading our exchanges. The point you're advocating is that you do not need to do marketing but only focus on making great content to be a success on YouTube. Not that making great content is ONE of the things you need to do to be a success on YouTube but that it is the ONLY thing you need to do to be a success on YouTube.
Given the above, yes, let us take a look at your "more evidence".
Go to 6:17 in the video. At this point in the video, they talk about moving on if your channel isn't successful. Not "put more effort into it". Not "you only need to make its quality better". Their approach is the lottery approach BUT at least they are saying that if you don't win the lottery, you need to try something else.
The reason for the delay in this reply was because I wanted to listen to the podcasts which had those you listed as a guest. Unfortunately, this evening, I found that I simply don't presently have time to listen to them all so I picked the one that I was most interested to hear and that was Hank Green's. Nowhere in his podcast did he advocate your point. Now if one or more of those who you listed do explicitly advocate your point, please tell me which and where in those roughly hour-long podcasts they did so.
Just FYI, Rhett & Link are the hosts of Ear Biscuits Podcast. So are you saying they interviewed themselves?
So you're saying that a fourth to nearly a third of the YouTube Creators courses were marketing based doesn't stress the importance of marketing to YouTubers?
But they're very likely NOT advocating your point. Now if you can tell which did and where in their podcasts they did advocate your point, do so.
I assume you meant "YouTube Spotlight".
Let me get this straight. Because YouTube ONLY has the third most popular YouTube channel, you think this proves that marketing doesn't work?
Do you speak Spanish? My bet is that you don't and there's your answer.
Go to Google News and type in "PewDiePie". And that's just print.
As for Rhiana and Beyonce, YouTube is just one of several mediums for them and NOWHERE close to their profit centers. In 2014, Rhiana made $68 million in just nine weeks of touring. So do you really think all of the marketing muscle behind her is for her YouTube channel?
So let me get this straight. You think that because there are no advertising executives in the Top 100 YouTube channels is evidence that marketing isn't important and that you only need great content to be a success on YouTube. Wow! You're brilliant! I mean no marketer must have helped Rhiana or Beyonce become successful because, look, there's no advertising executive who is on the Top 100 Billboard charts. Same must go for movies too. Because I've never seen a documentary about real-life marketers be a box office hit, they ... sorry, I cannot continue this line of silliness.
Sorry. Not done. Try again.
But here. You can prove your point all by yourself. Your channel is tiny right now. Only 191 subscribers. Basically a little bit more than you would expect from tapping one's extended network. So here's my challenge to you. You do no marketing for your channel. None. That means not even SEO-friendly tags. No collaborations. And then let us see how you do. No cheating now! Take a year and then post a reply to this thread and we'll then see how your great-content-only strategy has worked out for you.
Now I was going to challenge you to have your channel and my upcoming game show compete for a year after mine is launched. Yup, even though your channel has been on YouTube for over a year. We would then compare results at the end of my show's first year. However, that would be comparing apples to oranges and thus why I didn't issue that challenge.[DOUBLEPOST=1444800346,1444799067][/DOUBLEPOST]
And this is why he's a fraud. He doesn't have a successful channel. In the thread "Multiple YouTube Channels???", I repeatedly challenged him to give a link to it and he didn't. If that wasn't bad enough, he gives horrible advice (such as his "If you build it, they will come" fantasy of only focusing on making great content) and new YTtalkers might think he knows what he's talking about because they believe his lie of being a successful YouTuber.
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Sk Jony
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I visit your channel, there was no of video and huge subscribe. Good job. Hope you fulfill your target and dream. I need more view on my channel, but don't know How to get....can you share some important tips with me.Hey there! I am CaleoGaming. I am a fairly new youtuber who currently has 300.000+ views and almost 2000 subs. Most of my views comes from my Terraria guides and whenever I upload a let's play i get a persistency of 50-100 views per video. Is there a way to gain more views? I upload daily and I wish to expand my audience. I always take time to edit my videos and make sure they are in full HD and most importantly; I am just being myself when I play. Sillyness and randomness. I am dedicated and I work hard on my channel, and I am willing to work even harder to make it grow. So do you guys have any tips?
ChineseIrish
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This isn't a reply to Jack Decker but to those reading this thread. Jack Decker is a fraud and, as he has done here in the following, gives out horrible advice.
People that refuse to be reasoned with logic shouldn't be debated with. It just saps energy that could otherwise be used more constructively.
On a more productive note, I just watched a video on Inside Quest, an interview with Nir Eyal, the author of a book called Hooked. He talks about how companies, including tech companies get us hooked on using their products, checking our email / Facebook / twitter. He talks about the psychology of how they instilled these habits/addictions in us.
It's a pretty deep way to go about getting more views, but maybe if you learn about his work and have a deep think you might find a way to get people addicted to watching your videos ^^
People that refuse to be reasoned with logic shouldn't be debated with. It just saps energy that could otherwise be used more constructively.
On a more productive note, I just watched a video on Inside Quest, an interview with Nir Eyal, the author of a book called Hooked. He talks about how companies, including tech companies get us hooked on using their products, checking our email / Facebook / twitter. He talks about the psychology of how they instilled these habits/addictions in us.
It's a pretty deep way to go about getting more views, but maybe if you learn about his work and have a deep think you might find a way to get people addicted to watching your videos ^^
Harpuia
That "creepy" guy that makes Youtube videos.
I'm actually kind of siding with Jack here... not entirely though.
I say that because right now on FB, my channel is currently competing with another channel who is simply a guy putting a camera up to his 3DS showing off pokemon battles that he only wins. He is currently 10 subscribers ahead of me. I put more effort into my work, yet am unable to get over that hump. There are more than enough people who won't even give my channel a second look until I pass this guy, if ever. :/
And his secret to his success? He spams dozens of FB groups every day with his videos, to the point he's been banned from many of them.
I say that because right now on FB, my channel is currently competing with another channel who is simply a guy putting a camera up to his 3DS showing off pokemon battles that he only wins. He is currently 10 subscribers ahead of me. I put more effort into my work, yet am unable to get over that hump. There are more than enough people who won't even give my channel a second look until I pass this guy, if ever. :/
And his secret to his success? He spams dozens of FB groups every day with his videos, to the point he's been banned from many of them.
ChineseIrish
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When you think about success, what's the time line you're thinking of?
If you have a strategy of making videos and improving them every time you make one.
And he has a strategy of spamming FB groups everyday.
It's pretty likely that in two years he'll have been banned from most all of those FB groups while your content will be at a much improved level so your viewers are more likely to share your videos.
10 subs difference is not that much different.
Harpuia
That "creepy" guy that makes Youtube videos.
I have been slowly catching up, but I've kinda hit a plateau unluckily at a level right below his over the last few days. :/
That's not to say marketing is everything. I'm going to need to eventually improve the quality of the channel if I ever get to 1,000 subs. But marketing and content have been about half/half for me. Slightly more on the content side some days, marketing some days. Meanwhile, most can tell he does put 95% of his effort into marketing, and the result is even tho a lot of people see him as a joke in my FB community, they don't even bother looking at anyone below him because they'll automatically assume it's worse, regardless of how good or professional the content is inside. It really sucks. :/