Why YOU should NOT try to get subscribers " illegitmately "

Krow said:
But YT advertising doesn´t guarantee you subs. Only views. People will still be watching videos from someone with very few subscribers, wich might turn them off.
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No, of course it won't guarantee subs, and it might cost 10x as much to get the subs you'd get from buying them on a website that sells yt subs/views/likes, etc., but you won't be opening your channel to risk of getting terminated for TOS violations (I'm not sure how commonly that happens). It also may open your channel up to poor ranking by an algorithm that may see those views, which are usually from other countries, and rank your content accordingly (weighting it toward other countries). I suggest this as a possibility only because I've had channels I've started that I targeted only non U.S. countries (using Adwords for Video campaign (i.e. YT advertising)) in an attempt to get them to rank highly in the suggested video section of other countries, and have been moderately successful (these were carbon copies of channels that I had that already ranked pretty well for US traffic. I asked support prior to putting up the videos if putting up exact copies of my videos on other channels was against TOS and they told me no). I believe that an influx of views/subs from other countries could possibly put your channel at a disadvantage with some of YT's algorithms which will assume that your content is meant purely for those countries, since people from those countries are watching it.[DOUBLEPOST=1433306107,1433305602][/DOUBLEPOST]Buying views from a website is worse than buying subs because the views you're getting are from people/bots who won't stay on your video more than several seconds (click farms, etc), which will reduce the video's retention. YT ranks highly videos that 'lead to longer viewing sessions'. These views won't do that, so the value you get from having a video with a lot of views that might induce people to click for that reason only is negated by the fact that it will likely never appear in a 'suggested video' section because of the low retention.
 
I´m not sure if fake subs will get you banned. I´ve only done that one time in order to kick start a channel and nothing happened.

The idea behind it is simply to make it a little more marketable. A full restaurant is more marketable than an empty restaurant. If you´re good and people then start subscribing legitimately, then you will probably not have the problems you mentioned. You can even delete the fake subs after that.

But again, it all comes down to whether or not you´re producing content people wanna see. If your work sucks, nothing really will help you and fake subs might make things even worse.

At the end of the day, all i´m saying is that it isn´t as bad as some of you claim. If you do it correctly and your channel is good, it might actually help you in the beginning.

Fake views, on the other hand, is a big no no. You will get your account banned, that´s for sure.
 
Krow said:
The idea behind it is simply to make it a little more marketable. A full restaurant is more marketable than an empty restaurant.
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I completely agree with you, and as a matter of fact I believe I was the first person in the thread to suggest that there is a value in obtaining illegitimate subs. I'm only pointing out that you can 'buy' subs legitimately by paid advertising. Not directly, of course, but it will expedite whatever percentage you were going to get if you did it naturally (actually more than that, because these 'leads' could be highly targeted and qualified and have a much greater chance at subbing than someone who happened upon your page. I do not think that buying subs will necessarily get your channel terminated, although the number of views vs subs would be skewed and not look right to anyone who happens to pay attention, so you'd have to come up with views somehow as well. One solution could be paid subs through a 3rd party company and paid advertising through Adwords to take care of the views to make it look right (Okay I'm starting to feel like we should move this conversation to blackhatforum...LOL).
 
Holy moly that's a lot of comments right here, most of you are saying that sub 4 sub / getting subs illegitmately at the first stage [ when you started ] is necessary to go popular on youtube, well, no it can be POSSIBLE to achieve popularity without following this way.

I've got over 8000 subscribers, and I have never gotten any subscribers " illegally " , so i have a lot of active subs right now.I have never wanted to spam either in videos because people found it annoying, and hat way, you'll also get haters.

Youtube right now is all about luck, especially if your channel is english. You want to do a minecraft skywars video for example? There's a video already!
FNAF gameplay night 1? Already there!
Top secret cod weapon? Already there!

If you're original, and lucky enough to find something that people WILL search, WILL find, WILL share, and WILL talk about, you're gonna go famous..

The first stage takes a lot of effort to pass, you need to upload videos everyday, because more videos = more chances of someone finding the videos, therefore your channel.
If they like one of your videos, they're most likely to check another of yours, if they find you funny, they'll subscribe! But finding people that will subscribe to you is hard, and you won't find anyone that will follow your videos, if all your subscribers come from sub4sub/bought subscribers/fake accounts/sites/bots etc. etc.

They're increasing your sub count, ok, and most people think that " Oh, if they find someone with 1000 subscribers they'll subscribe because they will ask themselves : why did this channel get so many subscribers if it isn't funny? " but that isn't the case always, if they check the average views in your videos, and they're something like 30, they will unsubscribe, because some of them KNOW how you got those subs.


Some people have 1000 subscribers and 765 total views.. Something's fishy, isn't it?


example, this guy:
youtube.com / user / KamikazeZH
first video: intro
second video: 1000 sub special

obviously legit...right?
 
themutetroll said:
Holy moly that's a lot of comments right here, most of you are saying that sub 4 sub / getting subs illegitmately at the first stage [ when you started ] is necessary to go popular on youtube, well, no it can be POSSIBLE to achieve popularity without following this way.

I've got over 8000 subscribers, and I have never gotten any subscribers " illegally " , so i have a lot of active subs right now.I have never wanted to spam either in videos because people found it annoying, and hat way, you'll also get haters.

Youtube right now is all about luck, especially if your channel is english. You want to do a minecraft skywars video for example? There's a video already!
FNAF gameplay night 1? Already there!
Top secret cod weapon? Already there!

If you're original, and lucky enough to find something that people WILL search, WILL find, WILL share, and WILL talk about, you're gonna go famous..

The first stage takes a lot of effort to pass, you need to upload videos everyday, because more videos = more chances of someone finding the videos, therefore your channel.
If they like one of your videos, they're most likely to check another of yours, if they find you funny, they'll subscribe! But finding people that will subscribe to you is hard, and you won't find anyone that will follow your videos, if all your subscribers come from sub4sub/bought subscribers/fake accounts/sites/bots etc. etc.

They're increasing your sub count, ok, and most people think that " Oh, if they find someone with 1000 subscribers they'll subscribe because they will ask themselves : why did this channel get so many subscribers if it isn't funny? " but that isn't the case always, if they check the average views in your videos, and they're something like 30, they will unsubscribe, because some of them KNOW how you got those subs.


Some people have 1000 subscribers and 765 total views.. Something's fishy, isn't it?


example, this guy:
youtube.com / user / KamikazeZH
first video: intro
second video: 1000 sub special

obviously legit...right?
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1- Nobody is saying that you HAVE to get fake subs in order to be successful. But it can definitely help to kick start your channel.

2- YT is definitely not all about luck. The problem is that most Youtubers leave everything to luck, in the sense that they do absolutely ZERO in order to set themlseves apart from other Youtubers. All they do is to reproduce content, and in that case, yeah, you need a lot of luck.

themutetroll said:
Holy moly that's a lot of comments right here, most of you are saying that sub 4 sub / getting subs illegitmately at the first stage [ when you started ] is necessary to go popular on youtube, well, no it can be POSSIBLE to achieve popularity without following this way.

I've got over 8000 subscribers, and I have never gotten any subscribers " illegally " , so i have a lot of active subs right now.I have never wanted to spam either in videos because people found it annoying, and hat way, you'll also get haters.

Youtube right now is all about luck, especially if your channel is english. You want to do a minecraft skywars video for example? There's a video already!
FNAF gameplay night 1? Already there!
Top secret cod weapon? Already there!

If you're original, and lucky enough to find something that people WILL search, WILL find, WILL share, and WILL talk about, you're gonna go famous..

The first stage takes a lot of effort to pass, you need to upload videos everyday, because more videos = more chances of someone finding the videos, therefore your channel.
If they like one of your videos, they're most likely to check another of yours, if they find you funny, they'll subscribe! But finding people that will subscribe to you is hard, and you won't find anyone that will follow your videos, if all your subscribers come from sub4sub/bought subscribers/fake accounts/sites/bots etc. etc.

They're increasing your sub count, ok, and most people think that " Oh, if they find someone with 1000 subscribers they'll subscribe because they will ask themselves : why did this channel get so many subscribers if it isn't funny? " but that isn't the case always, if they check the average views in your videos, and they're something like 30, they will unsubscribe, because some of them KNOW how you got those subs.


Some people have 1000 subscribers and 765 total views.. Something's fishy, isn't it?


example, this guy:
youtube.com / user / KamikazeZH
first video: intro
second video: 1000 sub special

obviously legit...right?
Click to expand...

Correct me if i´m wrong, but when you pay for advertisement, you´re paying to get views. There are no guarantees that people will sub you. If you engage in Sub vs Sub or something like addmefast, you guarantee a certain amount of subscribers. And that´s what i´m talking about. I´m talking about making your channel look appealing for your first real viewers, instead of presenting a channel with zero subs and expect people to start subscribing you out of the blue.
 
Last time I checked doing anything illegal was never a good idea. But some people are content performing for groups of stuffed animals in their house and dead subs are no different I would assume? So do whatever makes you happy that does not hurt anybody else is what I say.
 
I have to agree with the themutetroll here since a lot of subscribers but very low view count as well as little to no comments in the videos gives off a red flag. My first impression would be that there would be no way that the subscribers are legitimate or genuine. However, having a low subscriber count but a video or two that has taken off suddenly, usually hints at the fact the video went viral somehow (and can be distinguished by a spike in the amount of view during that particular day/time.)
 
For me it's all about how I feel about my accomplishment. I can do any number of underhanded things to get ahead, and plenty of people do, but unfortunately I'll know exactly what I did and I'll feel like crap about it. I started a gaming channel prior to this one and it's currently at 1,600 subscribers or so. Even though that's small time I couldn't be more proud, because I never did sub4sub or anything else to artificially inflate my numbers. I just put out videos and people watched them, liked them, and subscribed to them.

I started this new channel, because my content has improved dramatically, so I wanted a fresh start. Thankfully, subscribers from my old channel have followed me to the new channel, which gave me a legitimate head start without having to do anything underhanded. The peace of mind that comes with legitimate success can't be overstated. :)
 
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