Smaller channels unwilling to collab with smaller channels?

Frankie said:
That makes a lot of sense. Though I must say from experiences on this forum I've found many smaller channels to be SO self-entitled it isn't even funny. (so much 'wah wah why am I not famous, let's blame everyone but me and my videos'). It's as if some really tiny channels believe that because they work hard and THEY believe they are teh shiz, that larger channels should naturally flock to them :giggle:

But yes I do see what you mean. I avoid many collabs because of that. There are only a small number of people I would ever work with and those people are mates so it's slightly different.
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Yeah ive found that actually making mates with people before actually doing a collab is the only way that actually works out well
 
I'd collab with anyone as long as i felt comfortable talking to them and they have to have a personality that bounces off mine. :giggle:
 
uberdanger said:
I always get theese smaller channels (100-500 subscribers) who ask me to collaborate with them for "mutual benefit", however do they not realise the benefit isn't really mutual, when you think about the difference in channel size.

Many of theese refuse to collaborate with channels their own size, however try putting yourself in the shoes of a big channel. If you as a channel with a few hundred subs, is unwilling to collab with channels the same size as yourself. Imagine how a channel with 50,000+ subs feels, when a channel MUCH smaller than themselves approach them with an offer.

I'm tired of people getting offended when I refuse them, however isn't it an unrealistic expectation to just collab with HUGE Youtuber's even though you're very small? I mean sure it works sometimes, but you can't just expect anyone to work with you.
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I think a rule that is fair for both channels who want to reap a benefit from the collab i.e. gaining a bigger audience, should be to collab with a channel ATLEAST within the same figure sub-count as you for example:

you have 66,000 subscribers so someone who wants to collab with you should ATLEAST have 10,000 subscribers for it to both benefit you.

meh... i don't know :/
 
It's a very common mistake that smaller channels make-and it's the equivalent of graduating from college and immediately going for the top job the pays the highest. Imagine what would happen if you applied to be the CEO of Apple, Google or some other Fortune 500 company with no job experience. The same goes for collaborations. You need a proven track record of successful collaborations before someone will work with you and if you get lucky enough to work with a large channel and botch it up, chances are you'll be blacklisted among their circle of friends. If you impress, then their friends will take notice and it will open up doors for you-but you can't expect to jump to the top right away.

Ask yourself what you bring to the table in a collaboration. My channel doesn't just represent subscribers-we have access to certain food items that are nearly impossible to get in this country and our concepts push the boundaries of acceptability, so that gets us collaborations that we normally wouldn't deserve. I recently did a collaboration with a channel that had 30k subs. I'm 5x larger in subscribers, but he had 1 million instagram followers, so I stood to gain much more than he did and I went out of my way to make the collab happen.

At Vidcon, all the channels larger than mine that agreed to a collaboration showed up on time and everything went smoothly. All the channels smaller than mine that had a collab scheduled didn't show up and tried to reschedule after the fact-and then missed the rescheduled time. The lack of professionalism really shows. When the next convention rolls around, I will be much less likely to schedule a collaboration with a smaller channel. I still want to work with them, but it will be more of a spur of the moment collab instead of something that is planned out. I wasted too much time at Vidcon waiting around and trying to accommodate smaller channels that didn't bother showing up.
 
JustSomeGermanDude said:
To sum it up: Dicks come in all sizes...
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I agree. Collabs should be based on the person's personality-- how well it would sync with yours, etc. and the video/audio quality. I'd like to think of collabs as something fun to do and an opportunity to meet new people, not as a scheming way of gaining someone's followers.
 
Wreckless Eating said:
It's a very common mistake that smaller channels make-and it's the equivalent of graduating from college and immediately going for the top job the pays the highest. Imagine what would happen if you applied to be the CEO of Apple, Google or some other Fortune 500 company with no job experience. The same goes for collaborations. You need a proven track record of successful collaborations before someone will work with you and if you get lucky enough to work with a large channel and botch it up, chances are you'll be blacklisted among their circle of friends. If you impress, then their friends will take notice and it will open up doors for you-but you can't expect to jump to the top right away.

Ask yourself what you bring to the table in a collaboration. My channel doesn't just represent subscribers-we have access to certain food items that are nearly impossible to get in this country and our concepts push the boundaries of acceptability, so that gets us collaborations that we normally wouldn't deserve. I recently did a collaboration with a channel that had 30k subs. I'm 5x larger in subscribers, but he had 1 million instagram followers, so I stood to gain much more than he did and I went out of my way to make the collab happen.

At Vidcon, all the channels larger than mine that agreed to a collaboration showed up on time and everything went smoothly. All the channels smaller than mine that had a collab scheduled didn't show up and tried to reschedule after the fact-and then missed the rescheduled time. The lack of professionalism really shows. When the next convention rolls around, I will be much less likely to schedule a collaboration with a smaller channel. I still want to work with them, but it will be more of a spur of the moment collab instead of something that is planned out. I wasted too much time at Vidcon waiting around and trying to accommodate smaller channels that didn't bother showing up.
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I think professionalism on youtube in general is lacking. Ive never had one person turn up on time to start a video and i know my videos are me being a d**k and pranking people so a lot of people try arguing with me when i complain about this by saying its not a professional thing. Its super frustrating and its the reason ive turned down 3 collabs in less then a week. I dont even know why loads of people want to collab with me because i dont have a big social following anywhere but the majority of my messages are people wanting to do a video with me to the point where i cant physically do a video with everyone in the time i have.

I will just be making a rule that i have to have known and been chatting to this person for a month before i do a video with them so i can just sit back and see what they are doing and how they work. I know im a small channel and shouldnt complain but theres a lot of people out there on youtube going out of there way to mug people off.

One more thing that REALLY annoys me is that its always down to me in the collabs to think up the videos for both mine AND the other persons video ?!?! surely if you are making youtube videos you should be fully capable of thinking up your own video ideas, Im not someones personal f*****g muse.

Just so everyone knows im just really using this to vent about problems ive been having because i have no where or no one to really vent about this stuff and its really been ******* me off in the last couple of weeks. So in no way am i aiming this at any of you guys on here :) its just ive had a whole bunch of people who have messed me about with collabs in the last couple of weeks and im a small channel that is always on the ball and actually on time and doesnt mess about behind the camera.

Im gonna go punch a horse now for banter
 
I agree for the most part, but there are exceptions. For example, I animate. There are surely a lot of channels that would like someone to animate them. So... if I animate you, and I do an excellent job, you might want to collaborate with me.
 
TheBatteryChicken said:
One more thing that REALLY annoys me is that its always down to me in the collabs to think up the videos for both mine AND the other persons video ?!?! surely if you are making youtube videos you should be fully capable of thinking up your own video ideas, Im not someones personal f*****g muse.

Im gonna go punch a horse now for banter
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The unwritten rule of youtube is the smaller channel always has to have an idea ready if they approach a larger channel. If you're of equal size, you should only have to worry about the material that goes on your channel and the other party has to take care of their own video. In my case, nearly everyone will defer to me because I can think outside the box. When we did our show at Vidcon, Fullscreen left the concept totally up to me because they knew it would be better than anything they could think up.
 
Wreckless Eating said:
The unwritten rule of youtube is the smaller channel always has to have an idea ready if they approach a larger channel. If you're of equal size, you should only have to worry about the material that goes on your channel and the other party has to take care of their own video. In my case, nearly everyone will defer to me because I can think outside the box. When we did our show at Vidcon, Fullscreen left the concept totally up to me because they knew it would be better than anything they could think up.
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Im going to stick to that rule from now on because its only ever gone that way in one collab ive done :) I always do have tons of ideas for other people but it just annoys me that i have to give them ideas for their own videos. I have never even approached a bigger youtuber about a collab aswell so it just always feels as if they have approached me and organized to do a video so they could just get ideas off me because they are running dry.

Im actually going to quote this the next time a bigger youtuber approaches me XD im going to tell them these are the requirements you have to adhere to before we meet up and work together
 
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