Everyone has 100k subs...

mrtjrages

mrtjrages

Well-Known Member
I guess first and foremost: Please move this to the correct forum if this thread isn't a true definition of gossip lol...and I guess if a topic like this already exists, then please direct me to it?
And second, I hope the title was catchy enough :]

Disclaimer: Think of this as a dream, and don't take this too seriously or there is a possibility some salty vibes may occur :( Also, I'm asking these questions just to get a better understanding of YouTube farther down to its core. Also, I'm not looking to start any wars nor "challenging" anyone.

I won't keep you guys long, I promise. I just want to know your thoughts on something...: Say we lived in an alternate universe where YouTube decided to actually help promote seemingly consistent YouTubers (mostly aiming at smaller YouTubers). It's very difficult to even find any of your videos in the search results because of users with a bigger audience!
Now I know YouTubers get paid by video views(?) not the number of subscribers, right? And the more people watch videos = more money because of advertisements. And I'm sure a hefty chunk goes to YouTube, correct?
I know I'm all over the place at this point, but lets leave big YouTubers out of this equation--they are unaffected by this alternate universe. They still have their subs and view count depending on the video...

I guess what I'm getting at is....Isn't it more beneficial (financially) for YouTube to cash in on "everyone's talent/content" instead of a select few?

-I do want to state that I'm no business expert...
But I think of it like this - Example: You hire 10 people to work for you. I always assumed that it'd be more profitable in the long run to take a dollar from each of the 10 people than to take 2 dollars from 3 people?

In closing:
-Would everyone having subs (lets say 100k each--honestly I just threw out a random number) be bad for Youtube?
-If so, what problems would this present?
-If everyone did have 100k subs, (and you're getting consistent traffic and (more) views DUE to the people subscribed to you) Does that mean more ad revenue towards YouTube?
-Please add on to the discussion because I'm sure I definitely left out plenty of thought.
-Also, I'm TJ. Nice to meet you :]
[/enddream]
 
If I remember right Sub's effect how much CPM you get, which effects your potential earnings, I wouldn't say it's negative or positive for youtube. The more people trafficking your channel means the more possible purchases of the add related products (though I'm not sure if youtube get's per view or per product sold, either way it's still a plus. Don't quote me on the CPM though, it's been awhile since I've researched any of this. but it shouldn't be hard to locate that info.
 
Saying everyone should suddenly be given 100k subs is actually pretty insulting to those of us who have done it through hard work. Who would be those 100k subs? Is YT just supposed to pluck them out of thin air?! Do you want YT to force people to sub to channels they don't want to sub to?

It's like saying everyone should be made doctors or lawyers regardless of their skills or training just so that everyone can earn a decent wage lol.

"Smaller" channels seems to have this misconception that YouTube isn't a level playing field. But it is. Everyone starts with 0 videos, 0 views and 0 subs and everyone is totally free to make whatever content they want. YouTube provides the exact same features to all channels regardless of size. There is no favouritism involved. All the information and resources are out there to allow anyone to succeed.

What isn't a level playing field is the skills, talent, work ethic, personality, motivation, decision-making etc etc of the creator. That's what determines who "makes it" or not on YouTube. Why should YouTube hand it to someone on a plate if they don't have what it takes? It's not a charity. The algorithm works in such a way that the best content (determined by watch time) gets promoted more than content with low watch time. You can't get fairer than that right?
 
Last edited:
Crown said:
Saying everyone should suddenly be given 100k subs is actually pretty insulting to those of us who have done it through hard work. Who would be those 100k subs? Is YT just supposed to pluck them out of thin air?! Do you want YT to force people to sub to channels they don't want to sub to?

It's like saying everyone should be made doctors or lawyers regardless of their skills or training just so that everyone can earn a decent wage lol.

"Smaller" channels seems to have this misconception that YouTube isn't a level playing field. But it is. Everyone starts with 0 videos, 0 views and 0 subs and everyone is totally free to make whatever content they want. YouTube provides the exact same features to all channels regardless of size. There is no favouritism involved. All the information and resources are out there to allow anyone to succeed.

What isn't a level playing field is the skills, talent, work ethic, personality, motivation, decision-making etc etc of the creator. That's what determines who "makes it" or not on YouTube. Why should YouTube hand it to someone on a plate if they don't have what it takes? It's not a charity. The algorithm works in such a way that the best content (determined by watch time) gets promoted more than content with low watch time. You can't get fairer than that right?
Click to expand...

Thank god someone talks sense :)

All i read is poor me poor small youtubers lmaoo
 
^ Crown already got the gist of it. YouTube actually DOES help promote smaller YouTubers, in the sense that ANY video with good metadata can appear on the first or second page of search without even having any watch time statistics. YouTube does this specifically to give new videos and newer YouTubers a fair chance to compete with those already established. A few days later, your video starts to become ranked on watch time %, so if everyone thought your video sucked and clicked off it early on, it's not going to stay in search - but on the contrary if everyone loved it, your new video is now ranking on the first page and should expect thousands of views.

If your videos aren't even appearing in search in the first place, then 1 of two things is happening: Either a) you've picked something not very searchable, like a Lets Play video, or a general rant/talk that isn't about something topical that is being searched. Or b) You have poor metadata, and need to improve your Title, Tags, Description, and Captioning. Yes, after a few days, your ranking will change based on how well received the video is, but until then it's an even playing field and all you have to do is pick the right subject and give it appropriate metadata.

After then when the playing field is no longer even, it's all about whether people enjoyed the video and kept watching - so if you're failing at that point, then it's your video quality that's the issue, not the number of subs/days on youtube/etc that you have.

---

Now on to your hypothetical. If YouTube gave everyone 100k subs, it would be the equivalent of having 100k subs from sub4sub. In other words, 100k people, of which 99% are uninterested in your videos, and never watch them. At most maybe 1k of those subs would ever watch any of your content, except.. it'd probably be less than that because those people would probably be subscribed to 1000+ other channels because of the 100k sub thing. So the number would just stand there as an artificial inflation of the number of your actual viewers, and only confuse statistics, while not contributing to watch statistics, ad views, ad revenue, etc. There would literally be 0 possible benefit, and a whole host of problems that it would cause.
 
JesusGreen said:
^ Crown already got the gist of it. YouTube actually DOES help promote smaller YouTubers, in the sense that ANY video with good metadata can appear on the first or second page of search without even having any watch time statistics. YouTube does this specifically to give new videos and newer YouTubers a fair chance to compete with those already established. A few days later, your video starts to become ranked on watch time %, so if everyone thought your video sucked and clicked off it early on, it's not going to stay in search - but on the contrary if everyone loved it, your new video is now ranking on the first page and should expect thousands of views.

If your videos aren't even appearing in search in the first place, then 1 of two things is happening: Either a) you've picked something not very searchable, like a Lets Play video, or a general rant/talk that isn't about something topical that is being searched. Or b) You have poor metadata, and need to improve your Title, Tags, Description, and Captioning. Yes, after a few days, your ranking will change based on how well received the video is, but until then it's an even playing field and all you have to do is pick the right subject and give it appropriate metadata.

After then when the playing field is no longer even, it's all about whether people enjoyed the video and kept watching - so if you're failing at that point, then it's your video quality that's the issue, not the number of subs/days on youtube/etc that you have.
Click to expand...

Another solid post, the problem being good knowledge seems to get ignored here as most would rather just whinge and say it's all too hard lol, life is so unfair!! how dare we have to work for something?!
 
I think that Crown and JesusGreen have already pointed out most of the things that I would say, but I want to point out another place where the opening post seems to have a misunderstanding of Youtube.

So, the whole point of subscribers is to hopefully have people who like your content enough that they are willing to get clued into to every video you release and that they are willing, furthermore, to watch more of these videos than an average searcher. Youtube already helps new Youtubers by boosting videos in the beginning of their lives due to SEO (title, tags, description, submitted subtitles...see JesusGreen's post for more), but really, how things shake out over time is that Youtube ultimately wants to maximize watch time for its viewers (because that increases watch time on its site). So after that initial boost, your video rises and falls to the extent it increases watch time.

So a good video should be able to generate watch time *even from non-subscribers finding it in search*, which should reinforce a high search ranking.

A not-so-good video won't generate watch time *even from subscribers who get it sent to their subscription box*, which will reinforce lower search rankings and subscriber burn. (That is, if Youtube notices that subscribers are skipping too many videos released from a channel, they will de-emphasize that channel's videos for that person across various aspects of the site (e.g., homepage's "recommended" sections, and so forth).

Ultimately, even though yes, ads are linked to view counts, Youtube's goal ultimately isn't view counts, but *watch time*. Because it knows that a video that gets watched by many, but people quit very early on, isn't as good as a video that may not be watched by as many people initially, but those people watch through the entire video and click on to other videos and therefore engage with the site more.
 
Nice thread my friend.Well some of my thoughts. I think that will be beautifull because we will have lot of views etc.But.
1.If all of us will have 100.000 Subs and the same views or more so easy the add revenue will be dead.
2.Most of us we dont deserve 100.000 Subs and for this we still dont have them and propably we will never get them.
3.If all channels get 100k subs then No new Subscribers will become.All of the Subscribers will going to get a new Channel and make videos and money as they can get so many subscribers easy.
4.I think it on many channels many people will Unsubscribe more than 90% as they will not like the theme or the quality of the channel.
Just what i hope to youtube is to promote more time on the small channels.The big channels have already people subs views etc.There are many great small channels with no traffic that can be discover many new talents. Lets hope youtube will help us.
 
Don't forget 100k subs does not Guarantee alot of views. Many may not get email notifications etc. I have seen channels with 250k views struggling to get over 5 k views per video because they are uploading garbage and alot of it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top