Creativenation will not PAY. HELP!!

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Kamran Sankey said:
I do not know the full extent of this story. I posted reinforcing a point made regarding Google reclaiming finances. It is true. If the finances are not there to be paid out for that channel a network cannot payout to that specific channel. Whatever the reason here the finances for CN are as automated as they are for nearly 6 other MCNs on Youtube, all using an identical internal finance system, none interfered with manually unless needed for user compensation.

I hope this issue gets sorted out logically.
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plain and simple.

november earnings get paid in december to creative nation. on 25th december i ask how much i will get paid in january. i get told $936.

this means adsense had sent creative nation the money

now you are telling me adsense can not reclaim it without this credit s**t.

so you agree its b******t?
 
Tarmack said:
Fixed that for you.
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yeah my bad i meant that

but my channel wasnt closed until middle of december

which means adsense would of still paid my november earnings in january.[DOUBLEPOST=1389635221,1389635139][/DOUBLEPOST]ive been youtubing for 3 years dont act like i dont know the copyright rules and when i will get paid or not.
 
Pwnage said:
go on kamran or shane, argue against this if you can
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I'll take a stab at this, though apparently you missed my last one explaining it in the other "random" network hate thread. Uploading copyright infringing content has 2 primary purposes. #1 is to enhance the existing material. This is when copyrighted content is perhaps overlaid on top of another piece of content. In the case of #1, a strike may occur if the channel is targeted by an especially vindictive content owner. However the channel generally only ever gets one strike at a time. Usually they have fair warning of when they are being punished and have a method of some recourse, appeals or simply waiting out the 6 month timer.

#2 the infringing content IS the source content. In this case the content is only put online for the purpose of gaining views, making money and establishing a subscriber base. It is also most often uploaded wholesale, full episodes, entire seasons, whole movies, etc. These channels can go for a while without being caught by ContentID if they're lucky and make some money. However, when they're caught they tend to be shut down immediately.

Now in the case of number 2, that copyrighted content is by far the view driver for the channel. Other legitimate videos may well get views, but not nearly as much if the copyrighted content wasn't there. As such it is impossible to know what views are legitimate and what are not. This is the "proceeds of crime" argument. That pile of money on your bed may very well be from your legit job, but if it's sitting beside a brick of cocaine, you're losing both. I'm not crazy enough to truly equate copyright infringement to selling drugs, but the similar concept does apply here as well.

By uploading significant wholesale copyrighted content, the channel owner is benefiting beyond the views of that content. It is much easier to rank for due to lack of competition, much easier to gain a following with. And very against the rules. The idea that people think they can get away with this AND still b***h about missing income when they're found out because "hey I had some legit videos too". f**k off, you're the poison that is the reason the rest of us have to deal with the new affiliate/managed nonsense.
 
Tarmack said:
I'll take a stab at this, though apparently you missed my last one explaining it in the other "random" network hate thread. Uploading copyright infringing content has 2 primary purposes. #1 is to enhance the existing material. This is when copyrighted content is perhaps overlaid on top of another piece of content. In the case of #1, a strike may occur if the channel is targeted by an especially vindictive content owner. However the channel generally only ever gets one strike at a time. Usually they have fair warning of when they are being punished and have a method of some recourse, appeals or simply waiting out the 6 month timer.

#2 the infringing content IS the source content. In this case the content is only put online for the purpose of gaining views, making money and establishing a subscriber base. It is also most often uploaded wholesale, full episodes, entire seasons, whole movies, etc. These channels can go for a while without being caught by ContentID if they're lucky and make some money. However, when they're caught they tend to be shut down immediately.

Now in the case of number 2, that copyrighted content is by far the view driver for the channel. Other legitimate videos may well get views, but not nearly as much if the copyrighted content wasn't there. As such it is impossible to know what views are legitimate and what are not. This is the "proceeds of crime" argument. That pile of money on your bed may very well be from your legit job, but if it's sitting beside a brick of cocaine, you're losing both. I'm not crazy enough to truly equate copyright infringement to selling drugs, but the similar concept does apply here as well.

By uploading significant wholesale copyrighted content, the channel owner is benefiting beyond the views of that content. It is much easier to rank for due to lack of competition, much easier to gain a following with. And very against the rules. The idea that people think they can get away with this AND still b***h about missing income when they're found out because "hey I had some legit videos too". f**k off, you're the poison that is the reason the rest of us have to deal with the new affiliate/managed nonsense.
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still not stated explicity in the contract
 
Well as far as my knowledge goes, he was uploading GTA 5 Content? That is the most popular gaming content currently in which Smexeh's videos must of got thousands of views.. aside from the copyrighted material. He should still receive money from his OWN videos. Other then Creative Nation taking someone elses revenue
 
Pwnage said:
still not stated explicity in the contract
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This is irrelevant and I will tell you why. You are paid a gross revenue share based on the money received from YouTube. If YouTube recalls or otherwise avoids payment, then you are still paid your revenue share of f**k all money. You want to argue it, then take YouTube to court.

And @Michael don't you think this thread has run its' course? Primarily brand new accounts, all openly admitting to intentional copyright infringement with multiple channels being closed down, personal insults and more. I'm getting tired of the whining coming from copyright infringers and those who support them.
 
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