BBTV or Freedom?

MerasmusMinionsLIVE said:
Go with BBTV. I partnered with them awhile back, and they were pretty good. Freedom, on the other hand, sucks. They have bad perks, will steal your channel's earnings for themselves and not give it to you, instead giving you a lot of excuses and rude remarks. They break their own "no lock-in" contract if you try to leave, and will not let your channel go. I had to threaten legal action against them before they agreed to release my channel.

Curse has great perks, a great community, but I have heard from some partners that they do some questionable things sometimes, such as inexplicably taking down partners videos, or not monetizing certain videos, and offering no explanation in return. I've not been with them myself, so I can't offer much advice there, but I'd say overall go with BBTV. I can vouch for them. They're as legit as they come, and have some pretty cool partner features!
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I used to recruit for BBTV, and completely disagree with you.
 
freshjiivetv said:
I used to recruit for BBTV, and completely disagree with you.
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I don't believe your experience as a recruiter is in any way related to being a partner. Most networks allow people to recruit without joining the network itself. I wouldn't know whether or not BBTV is good for recruiters like you, but I don't think that's the discussion at hand. I was with them as a partner alone, no recruiting, and had nothing really to complain about for the most part. The only reason I really left was I got a slightly better offer from Acifin Network. But BBTV was great while I was with them.
 
MerasmusMinionsLIVE said:
I don't believe your experience as a recruiter is in any way related to being a partner. Most networks allow people to recruit without joining the network itself. I wouldn't know whether or not BBTV is good for recruiters like you, but I don't think that's the discussion at hand. I was with them as a partner alone, no recruiting, and had nothing really to complain about for the most part. The only reason I really left was I got a slightly better offer from Acifin Network. But BBTV was great while I was with them.
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As per my first reply to this thread, I was also a partner with BBTV. I've experienced them from both sides.[DOUBLEPOST=1428470891,1428470461][/DOUBLEPOST]
XiaoK said:
now both parties got no reply for me, i hate this kind of support response.[DOUBLEPOST=1428465852,1428465769][/DOUBLEPOST]
which part you disagree may I know?
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Sure.
1. They offered me literally no support for helping my channel get out there. The only benefit they had when I first joined was "Viso Catalyst" which essentially is just the YouTube analytics page with prettier graphics.
2. I had signed into a year contract with them, and didn't realize that if you didn't give them 30 days notice before it expires it auto renews for another year. After it had auto expired I had try to get out and they completely denied me, and I just recently was able to get out of their contract. I was stuck with them for 2 years.
3. My experience from the recruitment side was terrible. All they want people to do is get people to sign, and essentially say anything like "we'll help you grow your channel, get more subs" etc when in reality they don't do anything for you unless you pester them other than take a large chunk of your revenue.

Being completely honest, I'm somewhat against YouTube networks as a whole. A majority of people DO not need them, and can do fine without them. The only reason I signed up for Curse on my second channel is it's easier to monetize my gaming content, and they only take 10% and I can get out at any point I want.
 
freshjiivetv said:
As per my first reply to this thread, I was also a partner with BBTV. I've experienced them from both sides.[DOUBLEPOST=1428470891,1428470461][/DOUBLEPOST]

Sure.
1. They offered me literally no support for helping my channel get out there. The only benefit they had when I first joined was "Viso Catalyst" which essentially is just the YouTube analytics page with prettier graphics.
2. I had signed into a year contract with them, and didn't realize that if you didn't give them 30 days notice before it expires it auto renews for another year. After it had auto expired I had try to get out and they completely denied me, and I just recently was able to get out of their contract. I was stuck with them for 2 years.
3. My experience from the recruitment side was terrible. All they want people to do is get people to sign, and essentially say anything like "we'll help you grow your channel, get more subs" etc when in reality they don't do anything for you unless you pester them other than take a large chunk of your revenue.

Being completely honest, I'm somewhat against YouTube networks as a whole. A majority of people DO not need them, and can do fine without them. The only reason I signed up for Curse on my second channel is it's easier to monetize my gaming content, and they only take 10% and I can get out at any point I want.
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1. As for as "helping my channel get out there", it's not the responsibility of the network, by and large, to pander to your channel to ensure your channel's success. Generally, networks, such as BBTV, provide partners perks and services for them to use. It's up to you as the partner and content creator to get involved in communities and get your content out there. Sitting back and saying "why isn't the network making me like Pewdiepie" isn't the way to go about it. BBTV, through Viso Catalyst, offers you some great benefits that will help your video become more likely to get noticed, such as video optimization features and a good solid tag finder tool, but again, it's up to you to actually be aggressive in using these to your advantage.
2. As for the contract, I don't know why they forced you into a 1-year contract. I got offered a no lock-in contract. That's odd.
3. Like I said before, and this happens a lot with people who don't take time to understand what YouTube networks actually do, it's not the network's fault that your channel isn't becoming the next viral sensation. You actually have to put in a lot of time and hard work engaging in communities, collaborating with other YouTubers, and finding other ways to grow your audience. A good network will try to provide you good collaboration opportunities, a good community, good support, and tools to help you grow your channel, but it's up to you, not the network, to actually use these services to their fullest potential.
4. Their support team always e-mailed me back within hours of my contacting them, and they were pretty cool, so I'm not sure what's going on on your end.

I'm not a diehard fan of BBTV, but I just don't think that your specific criticisms hold much weight.

As a side note: I didn't initially notice when you said you were a partner with them, I have re-written this response with this now in mind! :)
 
MerasmusMinionsLIVE said:
1. As for as "helping my channel get out there", it's not the responsibility of the network, by and large, to pander to your channel to ensure your channel's success. Generally, networks, such as BBTV, provide partners perks and services for them to use. It's up to you as the partner and content creator to get involved in communities and get your content out there. Sitting back and saying "why isn't the network making me like Pewdiepie" isn't the way to go about it. BBTV, through Viso Catalyst, offers you some great benefits that will help your video become more likely to get noticed, such as video optimization features and a good solid tag finder tool, but again, it's up to you to actually be aggressive in using these to your advantage.
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I know that I'm responsible for my channels success, I'm very aware of that. The issue is, if it's not the responsibility of the network to help you grow then they shouldn't claim that, which they did.
My experience with Viso/BBTV has been very poor at best, which is why I gave my opinion on them since OP was looking for info.
As well you said " A good network will try to provide you good collaboration opportunities, a good community, good support, and tools to help you grow your channel"
Not a single thing on that list was provided by Viso. When I first joined they didn't even have catalyst, forums or any other means to get some assistance. All you could do was email them and wait for a response whether if it was for graphics, a shout out, or finding a collab partner.
Even if my experience with them had been good I'd still never recommend a network that takes more than 10% of your revenue and locks you in to a contract. Anything a network offers you, you can find on your own.
 
freshjiivetv said:
I know that I'm responsible for my channels success, I'm very aware of that. The issue is, if it's not the responsibility of the network to help you grow then they shouldn't claim that, which they did.
My experience with Viso/BBTV has been very poor at best, which is why I gave my opinion on them since OP was looking for info.
Even if my experience with them had been good I'd still never recommend a network that takes more than 10% of your revenue and locks you in to a contract. Anything a network offers you, you can find on your own.
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I haven't seen their claims. All I've seen is that they've claimed that their tag finding software increases viewership of that video by an estimate of 133%, which I found to be more or less true during my time with them. If they made other claims, IDK, but I can vouch for that one.

And also, at least for gaming channels, you cannot just simply: "Find it on your own." Many gaming companies are aggressive in taking down monetized let's plays, game reviews, and other gaming video content if you are on your own. To an extent, networks protect you from this. While there are still some backwards-minded game companies (*cough cough* Nintendo! *cough cough*) that'll harass you anyway, YouTube MCNs will offer you protection unavailable to you as an unpartnered channel.

Currently, the network I'm with, Acifin Network, offers a 80/20 split, tag finder tools, and a fair amount of other features. And I'm only locked in for a 6-month contract, not too bad all in all. Are they the best? No. But I'd much rather have a network that's just ok rather than be an unpartnered channel and lose all the partner perks I get for only a 20% revenue cut.
 
Well hands down Freedom is complete garbage. I don't even know how you can get 90/10 split, last I experienced they had a 110% revenue share in "beta" (which never worked), no ad sales team, CPMs that were horrid (obv since they just take 40% of your adsense lol), fake freedom wallet, absolute garbage backend interface, support from 17 year old kids... the list goes on.

BBTV doesn't claim to help you grow like Freedom does... and I know for a fact Freedom DOES NOT help anyone grow. All their top channels are compilation copyright crap channels.

If anything I would go BBTV just because they arent sketchy and need to keep their office offshore.
 
I don't think that freedom is offering 90/10 share
because they initially gives 60% and then after introducing other channels with your referral id's there is a possibility in increase of your revenue share

so how could you get this share from them is it true.......?
 
Attamma TV said:
I don't think that freedom is offering 90/10 share
because they initially gives 60% and then after introducing other channels with your referral id's there is a possibility in increase of your revenue share

so how could you get this share from them is it true.......?
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If your channel receives a certain amount of views per month then Freedom will approve a RevShare change. Last I heard, they offered up to 95% but I'm sure that has been discontinued.
 
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