Am I doing something wrong?

[PrettyGamer]

Who cares if you do sub for sub.. I do sub for sub, I do request friends and families to subscribe and share my daughter's videos. When you're starting you need to grow first whatever strategy you will do.. Learn first the process then you will earn.. Sometimes it also depends on the managing section.. The views always go higher each time you invite and put it to reddit.. you just have to make a creative title and tags to everything.. Some people will say that when they put it on reddit the views will soar yes that's true.. But it will get lower audience retention.. But on my experiment I gained lots of views lots of likes even if I didn't get any subscriber there I created lot's of traffic from reddit and my retention in the others decrease by 1% add some 3% and the last decreased by 1% but the average increased by 1%.. At your first try try to increase the numbers first.. The more numbers you have the more people who has higher numbers will be friends to you.. Every day do it until you gained lots of good friends in every social media you have.. There will always be repeat videos if you made good friends first.. if you're into views make sure you upload once a week.. The first video I put has gained less because I put another video.. I put that video up for so long and it gathered more views after that I put another video and put again the 4th video the last.. The last thing you put with the most number of weeks will have more views. So if you want number in views make sure that there's a 3 day gap.. Most people will always watch those that have lots of views.. While some will watch everything you put there if your videos are just 1m to 3m video.. your audience retention will be higher the shorter the video is..

 

[Entityofsin]

Okay, there's a lot of things wrong with the above post that I am seeing. I think I'll unpack what I mean to benefit everyone in this discussion.

Who cares if you do sub for sub.. I do sub for sub, I do request friends and families to subscribe and share my daughter's videos. When you're starting you need to grow first whatever strategy you will do.. Learn first the process then you will earn..

Anyone that cares about having an active and engaged following behind their YouTube channel will never do sub for sub. You inflate your subscriber number while retaining your mediocre daily views. So you don't gain any more watch time which would improve any new videos you publish in search results to then reach more viewers to then get more subscribers. The cycle repeats itself and snowballs. Doing sub for sub breaks that and prevents your channel from potentially gaining some kind of snowballing effect in growth.

Sometimes it also depends on the managing section.. The views always go higher each time you invite and put it to reddit.. you just have to make a creative title and tags to everything.. Some people will say that when they put it on reddit the views will soar yes that's true.. But it will get lower audience retention.. But on my experiment I gained lots of views lots of likes even if I didn't get any subscriber there I created lot's of traffic from reddit and my retention in the others decrease by 1% add some 3% and the last decreased by 1% but the average increased by 1%.. At your first try try to increase the numbers first.. The more numbers you have the more people who has higher numbers will be friends to you.. Every day do it until you gained lots of good friends in every social media you have..

You're throwing around percentage numbers like they mean something. A percent means nothing without an actual number behind it to draw conclusions from. Is 1% from 250 daily views? From 10,000? Same thing for audience retention. If my audience retention goes up 1% because of sub for sub on average, then that's really misleading. In fact, that's down right bad way of looking at it. If someone wants better audience retention, then make more compelling content for people to watch. The solution is that simple to do but the hard work is actually executing it and that takes time to actually accomplish. Throwing around numbers like this looks silly with zero context behind those numbers.

Also, posting your videos on reddit can get you views, but that doesn't mean there is less audience retention directly associated with your video being posted on reddit. Doesn't mean you'll get more subscribers either or even more views in general. MFPallytime is a great example of an individual who probably gets crazy high retention on his Heroes of the Storm videos when he posts them in the Heroes of the Storm sub reddit. Why? Because the community actually likes him and has his back. He isn't some random trying to swoop in and gain a bunch of views, subs, etc. and profit from a community like a lot of content creators I've talked to do (mostly ones from Twitch). He also has never done sub for sub too.

There will always be repeat videos if you made good friends first.. if you're into views make sure you upload once a week.. The first video I put has gained less because I put another video.. I put that video up for so long and it gathered more views after that I put another video and put again the 4th video the last.. The last thing you put with the most number of weeks will have more views. So if you want number in views make sure that there's a 3 day gap.. Most people will always watch those that have lots of views.. While some will watch everything you put there if your videos are just 1m to 3m video.. your audience retention will be higher the shorter the video is..

This is also incredibly misleading. Uploading as often as you can without having a dramatic decrease in content quality is what is recommended by the majority of established content creators on YouTube. The length of your video does help with audience retention and watch time but your 3 minute video only means something if you're also earning subscribers from it as well. Having a 3 minute video with high retention and watch time means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. It's still a high ranking video in search results that doesn't give you many subscribers.

The content producer and graphic artist by the name of Roberto Blake put it simply in one of his videos: the more you upload, the more chances people have in discovering your content, your channel, and you as a person and brand so that they have the ability to subscribe and watch more content. If you do daily uploads on your channel for a year straight, that's 365 opportunities for a new person to find your content and channel. Also, how often you upload depends on the kind of content you make as well. Heavily animated videos can take longer. Film type content can take a whole month to finish. Certain musical projects can take weeks or months to complete. But the rule of thumb is always to upload as often as you can without losing too much of your content's quality at the same time.

I don't know what really makes you think sub for sub is great. But whatever growth you get from it isn't sustainable in the long term. It doesn't even work in the short term either. You're at 111 subs with 32 daily views but the daily views don't mean anything without looking at other analytics. Not trying to bust your chops or anything, but when I smell bullcrap, I call it out.

 

[PrettyGamer]

Okay, there's a lot of things wrong with the above post that I am seeing. I think I'll unpack what I mean to benefit everyone in this discussion.


Anyone that cares about having an active and engaged following behind their YouTube channel will never do sub for sub. You inflate your subscriber number while retaining your mediocre daily views. So you don't gain any more watch time which would improve any new videos you publish in search results to then reach more viewers to then get more subscribers. The cycle repeats itself and snowballs. Doing sub for sub breaks that and prevents your channel from potentially gaining some kind of snowballing effect in growth.


You're throwing around percentage numbers like they mean something. A percent means nothing without an actual number behind it to draw conclusions from. Is 1% from 250 daily views? From 10,000? Same thing for audience retention. If my audience retention goes up 1% because of sub for sub on average, then that's really misleading. In fact, that's down right bad way of looking at it. If someone wants better audience retention, then make more compelling content for people to watch. The solution is that simple to do but the hard work is actually executing it and that takes time to actually accomplish. Throwing around numbers like this looks silly with zero context behind those numbers.

Also, posting your videos on reddit can get you views, but that doesn't mean there is less audience retention directly associated with your video being posted on reddit. Doesn't mean you'll get more subscribers either or even more views in general. MFPallytime is a great example of an individual who probably gets crazy high retention on his Heroes of the Storm videos when he posts them in the Heroes of the Storm sub reddit. Why? Because the community actually likes him and has his back. He isn't some random trying to swoop in and gain a bunch of views, subs, etc. and profit from a community like a lot of content creators I've talked to do (mostly ones from Twitch). He also has never done sub for sub too.


This is also incredibly misleading. Uploading as often as you can without having a dramatic decrease in content quality is what is recommended by the majority of established content creators on YouTube. The length of your video does help with audience retention and watch time but your 3 minute video only means something if you're also earning subscribers from it as well. Having a 3 minute video with high retention and watch time means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. It's still a high ranking video in search results that doesn't give you many subscribers.

The content producer and graphic artist by the name of Roberto Blake put it simply in one of his videos: the more you upload, the more chances people have in discovering your content, your channel, and you as a person and brand so that they have the ability to subscribe and watch more content. If you do daily uploads on your channel for a year straight, that's 365 opportunities for a new person to find your content and channel. Also, how often you upload depends on the kind of content you make as well. Heavily animated videos can take longer. Film type content can take a whole month to finish. Certain musical projects can take weeks or months to complete. But the rule of thumb is always to upload as often as you can without losing too much of your content's quality at the same time.

I don't know what really makes you think sub for sub is great. But whatever growth you get from it isn't sustainable in the long term. It doesn't even work in the short term either. You're at 111 subs with 32 daily views but the daily views don't mean anything without looking at other analytics. Not trying to bust your chops or anything, but when I smell bullcrap, I call it out.

I think it's all about the numbers and stats. It's also in the chart.. The numbers will be the base of how your experiment is doing.. My channel is just about experimenting what goes and what was not.. Creating value by what wins and what lose. The channel is not yet starting as I said and as a result of testing waters you need data and numbers to see what will work or not.. Business is not created in a day! It is through hardship of research and hardwork.. Lots of trials and errors to be made.. Eliminating threats and enhancing strengths.. Continuosly learn and improve the stats..

 

[Entityofsin]

I think it's all about the numbers and stats. It's also in the chart.. The numbers will be the base of how your experiment is doing.. My channel is just about experimenting what goes and what was not.. Creating value by what wins and what lose. The channel is not yet starting as I said and as a result of testing waters you need data and numbers to see what will work or not.. Business is not created in a day! It is through hardship of research and hardwork.. Lots of trials and errors to be made.. Eliminating threats and enhancing strengths.. Continuosly learn and improve the stats..

Even more stuff that I find wrong with what I've been seeing you post around these forums.

Take it from someone who's started and shut down multiple YouTube channels, has ran a sub network under a MCN, and talk to network owners on a daily basis. You have a long ways to go to turn any YouTube channel of yours into anything remotely close to a business. A channel's analytics is only a small part of what goes into a successful and thriving YouTube channel. So if that's all you care about, good luck. Cause you're going down a pretty rough road and I wish you the best of luck with that approach.

 

[PrettyGamer]

Even more stuff that I find wrong with what I've been seeing you post around these forums.

Take it from someone who's started and shut down multiple YouTube channels, has ran a sub network under a MCN, and talk to network owners on a daily basis. You have a long ways to go to turn any YouTube channel of yours into anything remotely close to a business. A channel's analytics is only a small part of what goes into a successful and thriving YouTube channel. So if that's all you care about, good luck. Cause you're going down a pretty rough road and I wish you the best of luck with that approach.

Okay thanks for that! But you see I'm still looking for answers still.. Even if you talk w/ monetization thing you're tactics will not fit everyone so let the others find their own.. We are all different individuals and have different strategies to make it big! As the saying says to each its own! No strategy is perfect for all. No one gets successful w/ copying alone.. So let the others release their uniqueness.. And find the discipline that they can deal with..

 

[Entityofsin]

Wow you type a lot of words and say very little while also making no sense. I didn't even imply that there's only a select few ways to grow a YouTube channel, didn't suggest to copy other people, that everyone isn't their own individual, etc.

The problem I see here is someone trying to help others grow their YouTube channels with advice that holds less experience than who it's being given to. Play around on YouTube with your videos. Don't worry so much about growing it but then again I am also talking to someone who thinks sub for sub is amazing. -_-

 

[PrettyGamer]

Wow you type a lot of words and say very little while also making no sense. I didn't even imply that there's only a select few ways to grow a YouTube channel, didn't suggest to copy other people, that everyone isn't their own individual, etc.

The problem I see here is someone trying to help others grow their YouTube channels with advice that holds less experience than who it's being given to. Play around on YouTube with your videos. Don't worry so much about growing it but then again I am also talking to someone who thinks sub for sub is amazing. -_-

Yes I think it's amazing especially that you're helping each other grow. And be connected w/ people w/ the same interest. Also got lots of lesson to get from them.. we even watch and commented on each others video once in a while.. I'll watch and comment and like to each and everyone I know showing my support.. A sub is also a plus but watching them and learning from them is a great add up to.. Everyone should think outside the box and not just by having one subscription up and no view coming up.. If you're active w/ them then they'll be active you too..

 

[Entityofsin]

Managing that many potential relationships with other potential content creators is impossible for a single person. The moment you take time to talk with those people your time in making new content is used up. Maybe if you go with single uploads a week but then your channel isn't being discovered organically by interested people as much as it could if you uploaded three or five times as much or however many more times a week that doesn't kill all your content quality.

Even if things with sub for sub is going great in the beginning it doesn't in the long term. You max out at some point in how much you can interact with those people you follow who talk to you, plus you only have so much time during each day to watch their content, make content, respond to comments, market the content, and anything else that goes into managing a channel you seriously want to grow, and because of that some of the relationships you forge will probably fall apart or go to the side to be forgotten.

Also, sub for sub doesn't help others grow. Every single YouTube Certified person in Audience Growth I've spoken to have never once said that sub for sub works. These are people who have grown audiences themselves and done free and paid consultations for content creators to help them grow their channels with solid practical growth strategies. They are experts on this kind of material. Pretty sure they know more than the majority of people on YouTube.

But hey, if you still want to ignore all of this and do your little sub for sub stuff, then go ahead. Don't complain about the results your channel gets several months from now when you have 10k subs and 100 daily views and wonder why your analytics look like garbage.

Done trying to help someone who actually doesn't want to be helped. I have a YouTube sub network to reorganize under a new MCN anyways that needs my attention. Good luck though with your channel. I think you'll need a lot of it.