Creative Commons Unveiled

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sleepwagon

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OMG there's a lot of misunderstanding around CC & CC+ !!
I'm one of the confused!!!

All I want to know...
If you take CC content from other youtube channels and edit it in your own edit software (not the youtube editor) where you're mixing it with your own original content. Can you:
1. Claim CC yourself on the final video?
2. Can you monetize that video?

Many many thanks in advance :)
 
sleepwagon said:
If you take CC content from other youtube channels and edit it in your own edit software (not the youtube editor)
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Stop. You can't. You have to use the YouTube editor. Downloading videos is against YouTube's ToS and YT specifically mentions that you can use CC videos with the YouTube editor everywhere where they talk about their CCs. You could monetize those videos though and put them under CC, but those CC videos on YouTube are a minefield that's filled with copyright protected stuff uploaded by just anyone...
 
Creative Commons essentially covers the use and credit of works intended to be used without a transferrance of money.

So for example, if you get a CC song to use in an intro, you must credit the artist every time that intro runs (video description). It also lays out the format of the credit, meaning you need to include the name and a linkback to the source.

The type of CC license also determines what modifications can be used, if any to alter the original work.

CreativeCommons.org

As for the not downloading videos off of YouTube because of the TOS and forcing yourself to use the awful editor, since there's no way for them to know whether you did or not, I wouldn't sweat it too much.
 
Tarmack said:
As for the not downloading videos off of YouTube because of the TOS and forcing yourself to use the awful editor, since there's no way for them to know whether you did or not, I wouldn't sweat it too much.
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How is there no way for them to know? The videos are marked with "Created using YouTube Video Editor" and the editor even autolinks the videos you used if you use CC videos...
 
Because downloading the raw file from YouTube and then putting it into a video editor like Premiere isn't going to maintain any identifying markings from YouTube.
 
Tarmack said:
Because downloading the raw file from YouTube and then putting it into a video editor like Premiere isn't going to maintain any identifying markings from YouTube.
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That's a whole different point. You can still tell if a video was made with the YT Editor, or that it was not in this case.

And for this point to be true you have to rely on the failing YouTubes content ID system. (While, yes, the anti-downloading rule isn't one of the most enforced ones.)

But the main point against using CC videos from YouTube is still that there is a lot of stuff marked as CC that simply isn't, cause the uploader himself didn't have any rights. There are literally hundreds of websites that offer stock footage and CC videos, where you don't have to deal with any of these problems, so YouTube isn't really the best place to go.
 
My point was that there's no need to use the editor at all. Creative Commons is much wider in scope than YouTube alone, and you could have received that video from anywhere online, including the originating source. This means that downloading videos from YouTube to use snippets or whatnot in your own content is just fine and won't cause any problems.

You're completely right though about having to do your research and make sure the content is legit creative commons. This is much easier with music (recognition apps make it simple) than it is with video.
 
Tarmack said:
My point was that there's no need to use the editor at all. Creative Commons is much wider in scope than YouTube alone, and you could have received that video from anywhere online, including the originating source. This means that downloading videos from YouTube to use snippets or whatnot in your own content is just fine and won't cause any problems.

You're completely right though about having to do your research and make sure the content is legit creative commons. This is much easier with music (recognition apps make it simple) than it is with video.
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And my concern is to give advise according to the rules so everyone can decide on their own to break/bend/dodge them. It always depends on how safe someone wants to play. How safe do you want to be IF you get caught. A "could have gotten it from anywhere else" defense doesn't work if that video isn't available anywhere else.

YouTube isn't the only one who could come after you, it could also be the uploader. Maybe even just for HIS own stupidity. I had people who I edited for who where like "hey, I uploaded it with the creative commons license, cause I heard that name before and heard it was a good thing, even though I have no idea in which way or what it does."
 
The uploader has no recourse against you if they posted their own content as Creative Commons regardless of whether they did the research and really meant to put it up that way or not.

The point of the YouTube "don't download videos" TOS item is to place rules against people uploading others content wholesale without permission. Creative Commons gives that permission by its very nature, so how you get the video is completely irrelevant. Editing in Premiere is superior to the YouTube Editor in almost every respect, and the TOS violation is a minor one that will never receive a follow up. Attempting to scare people with non-issues is a waste of time.
 
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