UMG Bullying me or am I guilty?

[BradSickels]

I uploaded a choreography/concept video to youtube a few days ago and UMG disabled it because the content was Copyrighted. The video content is all my own - I filmed and edited it, but the music may be an issue. I tried to file a dispute but they rejected it, deleted my video and gave me a strike on my account. Now my youtube account is in bad standing.

It's incredibly common in the dance community for choreographers and artists to upload videos of this sort, without any issue. I'm not profiting from the video at all, and it contains only video content that is my own, so I'm confused about why this has happened.

I want to submit a counter notification, but I can't afford a lawyer if UMG takes legal action against me. However, this video is part of my art and is incredibly important to me - and uploading videos of this sort is one of the only ways to get notoriety as a choreographer and artist.

Any advice from someone who has filed a counter notification or knows anything about if this is indeed copyright infringement, would be much appreciated!

you can check out my video on Vimeo (101951004) - in case that's helpful

 

[MiketheDbacker26]

As a gamer, I'm not too familiar with how music copyright works, but I know they're very uptight with things like that, and I think your lack of a partnership might actually be what hurts you (they can usually pull strings for you to use certain songs). The problem is of course the music, and unfortunately it's pretty much indisputable, since you don't actually own it.

I know it's not what you want to hear, but I'd just give up with this video, at least for now, and wait to try it a different day. Potentially do some research to see what artists/companies are more lenient with copyright stuff. YouTube is a minefield; sometimes you put something out there and you have no idea that it'll blow up in your face.

 

[JohnnyFox]

I uploaded a choreography/concept video to youtube a few days ago and UMG disabled it because the content was Copyrighted. The video content is all my own - I filmed and edited it, but the music may be an issue. I tried to file a dispute but they rejected it, deleted my video and gave me a strike on my account. Now my youtube account is in bad standing.

It's incredibly common in the dance community for choreographers and artists to upload videos of this sort, without any issue. I'm not profiting from the video at all, and it contains only video content that is my own, so I'm confused about why this has happened.

I want to submit a counter notification, but I can't afford a lawyer if UMG takes legal action against me. However, this video is part of my art and is incredibly important to me - and uploading videos of this sort is one of the only ways to get notoriety as a choreographer and artist.

Any advice from someone who has filed a counter notification or knows anything about if this is indeed copyright infringement, would be much appreciated!

you can check out my video on Vimeo (101951004) - in case that's helpful

File a DMCA claim against them. Simple as that and file it under educational use.

 

[Tarmack]

You don't have a legal leg to stand/dance on.

In order to make use of copyrighted material without having paid to license that material, there is really only the fair use defense. Fair use stands on 4 pillars (purpose, nature, amount and value). Yes, there are certain educational materials that can fall under fair use, however simply uploading a video of dance choreography set to music is not one of them. It's flat out copyright infringement and the fact that it has been done before by others without issue is irrelevant.

Yes, you can go ahead and try to dispute. You won't win the dispute though.[DOUBLEPOST=1407249542,1407249444][/DOUBLEPOST]

File a DMCA claim against them. Simple as that and file it under educational use.

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't give copyright advice. A choreography dance video set to copyrighted music isn't even in the realm of qualifying as educational content under fair use.

 

[JohnnyFox]

You don't have a legal leg to stand/dance on.

In order to make use of copyrighted material without having paid to license that material, there is really only the fair use defense. Fair use stands on 4 pillars (purpose, nature, amount and value). Yes, there are certain educational materials that can fall under fair use, however simply uploading a video of dance choreography set to music is not one of them. It's flat out copyright infringement and the fact that it has been done before by others without issue is irrelevant.

Yes, you can go ahead and try to dispute. You won't win the dispute though.[DOUBLEPOST=1407249542,1407249444][/DOUBLEPOST]

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't give copyright advice. A choreography dance video set to copyrighted music isn't even in the realm of qualifying as educational content under fair use.

Youtube's system is robots. They don't individually check all this b******t dude.

 

[Tarmack]

Youtube's system is robots. They don't individually check all this b******t dude.

Copyright strikes are not automated, they require manual involvement. It's time for you to stop talking in the copyright forum from an advice standpoint.

 

[JohnnyFox]

Copyright strikes are not automated, they require manual involvement. It's time for you to stop talking in the copyright forum from an advice standpoint.

Well I've been doing this for 6 years, i'm not one of these fuckin' kids that just talks to hear himself rattle. How bout not being an officious ***** about it and if you don't like my solution then don't use it. No reason to be a ***** about it. If you want real legal advice go to a lawyer and pay that ***** 300-1000 dollars an hour to give you advice on one YouTube video that might make you a couple grand maximum for most people.

 

[Tarmack]

Well i've been doing this for quite a while, i'm not one of these fuckin' kids that just talks to hear himself rattle. How bout not being an officious ***** about it.

Indeed. You just told someone who received a copyright strike for using UMG music without proper license or permission to just go ahead and file a DMCA counter notice under educational material. You want to tell me again how long you've been doing this and how your advice has real merit? A DMCA counter notice is a legal challenge in case you're not aware. Your post is one of the worst pieces of advice that has been given in this copyright forum. It's akin to receiving a perfectly valid cease and desist notice and replying "no". Utterly idiotic.

 

[JohnnyFox]

Indeed. You just told someone who received a copyright strike for using UMG music without proper license or permission to just go ahead and file a DMCA counter notice under educational material. You want to tell me again how long you've been doing this and how your advice has real merit? A DMCA counter notice is a legal challenge in case you're not aware. Your post is one of the worst pieces of advice that has been given in this copyright forum. It's akin to calling a company's bluff when their lawyer sends you a cease and desist notice. Utterly idiotic.

1. I've been doing this s**t for 6 years. I've had 3 channels and dealt with copyright strikes quite a bit.

2. If you really think YouTube (which gets 5 billion videos a day probably) is really going to give a s**t about one claim and hand check it then you sir are a f*****g moron.

 

[Tarmack]

1. I've been doing this s**t for 6 years. I've had 3 channels and dealt with copyright strikes quite a bit.

2. If you really think YouTube (which gets 5 billion videos a day probably) is really going to give a s**t about one claim and hand check it then you sir are a f*****g moron.

3. Shut the f**k up

Sure, let's do the numbered system.

1. Having dealt with copyright strikes "quite a bit" over 3 older channels is not something you should be shouting from the rooftops as a good thing indicating your comprehension of copyright law. That's like a lawyer claiming to be really good at legal matters because they've been in jail.

2. The fact of the matter is that in order to initiate a copyright strike, a content holder must manually submit a DMCA takedown request. It is not automatic. By the same token, counter notifications are also not automatic. It is irrelevant whether YouTube cares about the claim or not. The interested party on the other side (UMG in this case) being legally challenged on their ownership of a particular song via that counter notification is quite a bit different. Copyright strikes are not automatic like Third Party Content Matches (ContentID).

3. Only kids out of their league with no valid response resort to this kind of petty nonsense. Grow up.