What is stat gaming

urbanlamb

urbanlamb

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This was going to be way more elaborate but the more i went along the more scray the information got. Links to original sources are the video info section.
 
Right if your using fireviews and have adsense on...they do ban you if they catch you. But if you don't have adsense on I think there is nothing wrong with it then. As for sub4sub (unlike buying subs/views) it is at least real people and when you do release a new video it will still appear on a active YouTube members home page giving you the chance they will watch your videos...unless they haven't unsubbed like 2 days after you do the sub4sub...What I am trying to say is Fireviews and other sites like it are ok with no adsense according to YouTube. All I know is I have never used any of those sites on my 2 active accounts. It's not worth the risk. I think we all can agree that buying views/subs/ratings is the worst of the worst thing you could do on YouTube. I tried to comment on the video btw and it keeps telling me error with both of my accounts so I don't know what that's all about.

And am I the only one that sees the epic sax guy playing that music from that video? haha
 
On the subject of Adsense, I personally dont recommend having Adsense enabled on any video you embed and I also recommend that you manually approve of the sites that are authorised, I aint sure if that Adsense feature works with YouTube and that is why I honestly think its best to disable embedding of any Adsense enabled videos and not to embed them anywhere and simply link to them instead, theres far less chance of being banned unfairly that way. I say the same for embedding them here too.

I still dont agree that using such sites will get you banned for certain, I have tested it out on a video, am I banned? Nope and I am sure there are thousands of others who havent been either. I suppose its a risk everyone might be taking and I am saying might there, it could be a rat trap as you have described in the past but I cant see it happening, look how long sub4sub took to be eliminated with channels like Hastify and the rest.

Its good that you finally shared your sources too in particular this one here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=b19XCVZiMjU#t=192s

Does this mean they would class our Video and Channel Promotion forum as stat gaming? How about asking people to watch on Facebook? It is a bit unclear still to be honest. I wonder if its just to put on the frighteners, surely they will only go for the big fish who spam all day long and hit 1000's each day.

What about partners such as GlitterForever17? They spammed to reach partnership and sub4subbed every hour of daylight and was partnered by YT within 3 months, how about that, surely they would notice when it was constant spamming. Isnt that gaming the system. Seems like its all a game of hit and miss.

I dont understand why you had that TOS link but never bothered to post it so we could all see it in the first place too.

Nice video though :)
 
I just thought I would make this video anyhow its up to the individual to anyone who thinks about it for any length of time its clearly not something that youtube says is okay. Adsense or no adsense. Regular search engines went through this as well. The fact its even a topic for debate is simply mind boggling to most users.
 
Michael said:
On the subject of Adsense, I personally dont recommend having Adsense enabled on any video you embed and I also recommend that you manually approve of the sites that are authorised, I aint sure if that Adsense feature works with YouTube and that is why I honestly think its best to disable embedding of any Adsense enabled videos and not to embed them anywhere and simply link to them instead, theres far less chance of being banned unfairly that way. I say the same for embedding them here too.

I still dont agree that using such sites will get you banned for certain, I have tested it out on a video, am I banned? Nope and I am sure there are thousands of others who havent been either. I suppose its a risk everyone might be taking and I am saying might there, it could be a rat trap as you have described in the past but I cant see it happening, look how long sub4sub took to be eliminated with channels like Hastify and the rest.

Its good that you finally shared your sources too in particular this one here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=b19XCVZiMjU#t=192s

Does this mean they would class our Video and Channel Promotion forum as stat gaming? How about asking people to watch on Facebook? It is a bit unclear still to be honest. I wonder if its just to put on the frighteners, surely they will only go for the big fish who spam all day long and hit 1000's each day.

What about partners such as GlitterForever17? They spammed to reach partnership and sub4subbed every hour of daylight and was partnered by YT within 3 months, how about that, surely they would notice when it was constant spamming. Isnt that gaming the system. Seems like its all a game of hit and miss.

I dont understand why you had that TOS link but never bothered to post it so we could all see it in the first place too.

Nice video though :)
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the tos link is in the video comment if you want to go see. The reality is that stat gaming is getting others to view your videos and you view theirs. the sites that are being used well advertise this. They even offer to speed it up for you. Again youtube is gonna eventually come down on these people. I dont intend to be one of them.

your a nice guy michael but you are playing a very dangerous game and so are many others here. Sites like this are just so obviously hit you in the face not intended to be the correct way to get views or likes or comments it just so mind boggling you would even want to try to spin is as okay. It simply makes NO sense what so ever.
 
urbanlamb said:
the tos link is in the video comment if you want to go see. The reality is that stat gaming is getting others to view your videos and you view theirs. the sites that are being used well advertise this. They even offer to speed it up for you. Again youtube is gonna eventually come down on these people. I dont intend to be one of them.

your a nice guy michael but you are playing a very dangerous game and so are many others here.
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Me? I have used Fireviews once I think for 1 video and couldnt be bothered with it after about viewing about 5 or so videos so didnt return lol surely I am not risking anything, if I got banned for that, that would be very petty :D I have used growsocials a bit more but that is solely on FB likes and I done a few tests with their pluses, I dont believe I ever tested a YT video on there since I use Firefox and their site is inaccessible mostly in FF. I dont see myself as playing any YT game there.

I have seen it, I know youre not Photoshopping it or anything there, you could have posted that for me on YT in the comments so I could take a proper look. I honestly just cant believe that someone saying subscribe to me and I will subscribe to you in return will get you banned, I cant say I know 1 YouTuber who has NEVER done sub for sub at some level and I cannot see them going after people for this, it is unrealistic for them to go for those who arent gaining much from it. I mean how can they tell if someone did sub for sub, what if it was in private? The same goes for like for like and view for view etc, I mean how can they detect that? They wont know Jim from America asked Bob from New Zealand to subscribe to him on YT through their Facebook accounts, it just doesnt seem realistic. I guess they could track the traffic.
 
I think the video was very informative. I still don't see anything wrong with Sub4Sub because YouTube wants you to do that. They probably don't want u spamming sub for sub. I don't think YTTALK is inflating stats. Its simply sharing a video on a forum. People can watch or not. Comment or not. Rate or not. I think that sharing is what YouTube is all about. If I see a video I like I share it on my blog or on facebook no matter who it is from.
 
Michael said:
Me? I have used Fireviews once I think for 1 video and couldnt be bothered with it after about viewing about 5 or so videos so didnt return lol surely I am not risking anything, if I got banned for that, that would be very petty :D I have used growsocials a bit more but that is solely on FB likes and I done a few tests with their pluses, I dont believe I ever tested a YT video on there since I use Firefox and their site is inaccessible mostly in FF. I dont see myself as playing any YT game there.

I have seen it, I know youre not Photoshopping it or anything there, you could have posted that for me on YT in the comments so I could take a proper look. I honestly just cant believe that someone saying subscribe to me and I will subscribe to you in return will get you banned, I cant say I know 1 YouTuber who has NEVER done sub for sub at some level and I cannot see them going after people for this, it is unrealistic for them to go for those who arent gaining much from it. I mean how can they tell if someone did sub for sub, what if it was in private? The same goes for like for like and view for view etc, I mean how can they detect that? They wont know Jim from America asked Bob from New Zealand to subscribe to him on YT through their Facebook accounts, it just doesnt seem realistic. I guess they could track the traffic.
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I put all the links to the sources in the video are you implying i played with the info? no..

You do realize that there is even one more layer to this.. I simply had to stop because of how it was going simply far too risky

even sub4sub and all that is considered gaming the system. All these sites take it to the extreme fireviews, growsocials, subscribertrain the list is endless. Youtube excepts people to find the stuff on their own etc etc. Really its just so drop dead obvious its not intended that I just my mind is blown by the discussion. Anyhow what with all these videos spinning it as okay I thought maybe I should make one you know with actual statements by people who are considered to be experts . Read it an interpret it as you see fit. Its not limited to bots its any means to drive up stats artificially.
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Jason Ingersoll said:
I think the video was very informative. I still don't see anything wrong with Sub4Sub because YouTube wants you to do that. They probably don't want u spamming sub for sub. I don't think YTTALK is inflating stats. Its simply sharing a video on a forum. People can watch or not. Comment or not. Rate or not. I think that sharing is what YouTube is all about. If I see a video I like I share it on my blog or on facebook no matter who it is from.
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i never said yttalk is inflating stats..
the forum is open.. you can pick and choose and you dont sign up to a system to click on things madly. unlike those websites..

anyhow I just had to make the video since I had dug up the info. I would not touch any of those services with a ten foot pole you get in a line and sit there and click. and if you want it FASTER then that you can pay for that..

sub4sub when theydo that they assume the guy like found you because of a similar interest you didnt sign up to a site get in a line and sub 20 guys just cause they are there. Anyhow take it as you will there is using the system sanely and then gaming it.
 
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